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[NativeForeigner]

Native: What abilities would you want to know about the most ?

Killing abilities.

BDthemag: How exactly do you think a mass claim results in confirmed townies?

Native I don't neccesarly think it results in confirmed townies, I do though think that we can sort through all of the roles that are claimed and sort out which looks odd and which doesn't.

Spoiler: Is that so? (click to show/hide)

Think0028, I think we should. The more confirmed towns there are the harder it is for the mafia to win.

Sounds an awful lot like you're changing your story here. And how exactly do you intend to determine which roles sound odd or not? In the past, we've have townies with the role "Mafia".

[Toaster]

Native:  Everyone but you has claimed.  Do you wish to do so?  If not, why?

[JoshuaFH]

As far as I'm concerned, Native doesn't have a choice. We need that info to make an informed plan. Plus, he'll be in a tight spot when Tyberix shoots off his arms dealer ability, and it turns out there's a gun that can't be accounted for.

[Think0028]

Question to anyone about arms dealer: so if we have one more gun than claimed, that means that King Mafia is one of the claimed non-gun roles, right? And likewise, if we have exactly as many guns as claimed, then King Mafia is one of the roles with guns, yes? I want to make sure I understand the idea before we go ahead.

[JoshuaFH]

Question to anyone about arms dealer: so if we have one more gun than claimed, that means that King Mafia is one of the claimed non-gun roles, right? And likewise, if we have exactly as many guns as claimed, then King Mafia is one of the roles with guns, yes? I want to make sure I understand the idea before we go ahead.

That's basically it, yeah. See round 4 for an example of this in action, where Pandar was the arms dealer.

[NativeForeigner]

Native:  Everyone but you has claimed.  Do you wish to do so?  If not, why?

I really think it should be obvious now. I'm a Paranoid Gun Owner with an auto-protect for one person. I didn't get to choose the person and I don't feel revealing the person is exactly a good idea.

[JoshuaFH]

Serious? There's two PGO's? I guess you can keep your protect target a secret for now, since it's a variable that only hinders the mafia. I might have to ask you to disclose it in the future though, depending on what I think up.

So this is how things stand:

Myself: Coward Lone Wolf Forensics expert.

Toaster: Day cop that shares his alignment

Joker:  night cop, killer, nonvoter and astrologer rolled into one.

Tyberix: Toaster's twin, reflector, and arms dealer

BD: Killer, tracker, repeating coward

Think: PGO and fairy godmother

Native: PGO and auto-protector

I'm going to have to stew on this one for a bit.

One question springs to mind though:

WA: if any role with a night time auto ability is King Mafia, then can that player kill? Or does his auto-ability override his manual ability?

[webadict]

WA: if any role with a night time auto ability is King Mafia, then can that player kill? Or does his auto-ability override his manual ability?

Any auto ability happens automatically. A player may use any number of auto abilities, but only one night action, so I believe that your answers are: "Yes, he can kill." and "No, his auto ability does not override anything."

[JoshuaFH]

Also, some other things come to mind,

WA: will an auto action activate another auto action? Like, say, auto-protecting a Paranoid gun owner?

and will a protection protect against a paranoid gun owner reaction kill? I'm assuming Yes.

[webadict]

Also, some other things come to mind,

WA: will an auto action activate another auto action? Like, say, auto-protecting a Paranoid gun owner?

and will a protection protect against a paranoid gun owner reaction kill? I'm assuming Yes.

Paranoid Gun Owner is NOT an auto ability. It is instead an intrinsic ability of the role. However, auto abilities are treated exactly as regular abilities, which means the Paranoid Gun Owner would activate if an auto ability were used on him.

And yes. A protection will stop a Paranoid Gun Owner's kill.

[JoshuaFH]

That's great to hear, thank you very much WA.

Now, I want Tyberix to use his ability to determine how many guns there are.

I estimate that there'll be 5 guns. or 4 guns and 1 knife, since joker is a stalker.

Well, actually, I don't know if my role has a gun. I mean, he's werewolf flavored, and so might use teeth or claws or brute strength to kill. Actually, now that I think about it, I don't know if BD, a deep one, has a gun either. I've never heard of Cthulhu rising out of Ry'leh to cap some foo'.

I might as well ask,

WA: Does a Lone Wolf use a gun?

Does a Deep One use a gun?

[webadict]

WA: Does a Lone Wolf use a gun?

Does a Deep One use a gun?

Any character with a kill has a gun, unless their role name would change it, and that is very few.

Lone Werewolf would have a gun, as would Deep One.

[Tyberix]

There's 5 guns right now in play.

Now i guess it's not that useful information as i thought it be...

[Think0028]

So possible mafia are me, Native, Joker, BD, Josh, and Tyberix (because he could have lied about the count).


...

Good news everyone! We confirmed Toaster! Again!

[Think0028]

I can't make a more substantial post than that at the moment, as I'm quite exhausted, but I'll start formulating theories about what we can do. All I can really say at the moment is that there are only two ways I see to make sure Native and I aren't scum without sacrificing anyone else: lynching both of us, or me targeting him, dying but changing his role so he can be investigated. As there aren't any reviving investigators, we can't be investigated as is. The first plan would potentially waste two lynches, which is a rather huge cost, so I'd prefer plan 2, where I target him tonight. Anyone see any other ideas?

Jeez it feels weird to calmly discuss offing myself for the good of all.


... Wait, better idea. Tyberix reflects on Joshua tonight. Either King Mafia targets Joshua and King dies horribly, or  King Mafia targets not-Josh, Josh autopsies and we win. The only question there is whether Tyberix is Town or not... which we know already! Jokerman investigated Toaster, and since Tyberix is Toaster's twin, we know he's town. So Tyberix just puts a reflect on Josh and we should have this in the bag.