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Vector

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I apologize Vector, in that I most likely will not be attending your livestream, I would very much like to.

For some reason, I imagined you'd be going in line, each disney movie getting it's own livestream.

Uwaaah, is next weekend bad for you?

Also, I do not know if I could handle that... but I could maybe livestream 'em all as I watch them.  Hurm.
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Well, to explain my circumstance briefly, by that time I will be back at my college (I'm home on vacation atm) and the only time I can access the internet is on my college's in-house computers, which are most likely incapable of watching a livestream, as they can't even watch youtube videos.

Now I feel bad, since all I've done is come into this thread to tell you I'm not watching your livestream, which sounds inherently rude.
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So your going to rage over what is a rather good movie?

I am afraid you will either rage at the deviations from the novel (which I disagree with)

Or the added stupidity that holds the movie down (that I agree with)

I guess it depends how well you rage or rather how it balances between humor, passion, and intellectualism (which is Neonivek's three pillars of Riff reviews)
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I am not raging to please you, I am raging to please me.

If it's your opinion that it's a rather good movie and you want to cheer for "Quasi" and "Esme" as they enjoy their stereotypical, imperialist-flavored lives, then pop in the DVD and for goodness' sakes don't watch the stream.  The differences between the movie and the book (and the stage play) will be explored and critiqued, because they're a fertile site of "what could have been" in the narrative.

I am not here to be rated and I am not here to be someone's source of evening pabulum.  I am here to educate.  It will probably be humorous, because goodness knows I would rather laugh than cry, but I am not going to sit here and think "How can I make these people laugh?  That's the important thing here."

So if you want to watch, you can watch, but I warn you that I'm in a very angry mood.


Well, to explain my circumstance briefly, by that time I will be back at my college (I'm home on vacation atm) and the only time I can access the internet is on my college's in-house computers, which are most likely incapable of watching a livestream, as they can't even watch youtube videos.

Now I feel bad, since all I've done is come into this thread to tell you I'm not watching your livestream, which sounds inherently rude.

Ohh, okay.  Well, thank you for telling me, anyway, and I'm glad for letting me know that you wanted to come =)  Hopefully you can come to one of these some other time.  It's too bad you couldn't come this time, though =/

Have fun at college, okay?
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I was just in Japan. I love to watch meltdowns at possible risk to self, count me in.

If I'm around at the time.

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I am not here to be rated and I am not here to be someone's source of evening pabulum.  I am here to educate.

Well, you've already succeeded, as I have never heard the word "pabulum" before.  So count me in.

Oh, and despite your best efforts, I was laughing my ass off at most of the Hunchback that we did watch, and I pretty sure I wasn't alone.  You have to expect that with an audience of mise-en-scène-savvy cynics.
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No, no.  I mean, I know that that particular performance is damn hilarious (... swingy rocks, anyone?), and I am hoping that my audience will be just as rifftacular this time through.  Usually I cry when I'm watching it, but this time I laughed myself sick.  And that will hopefully be the case with this movie, as well.

However, my point was simply that I don't get angry for the pleasure of others; i.e., my careful research was not in order to create a comedy program a la MST.  I take my emotional health a bit more seriously than that >_>
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If it's your opinion that it's a rather good movie and you want to cheer for "Quasi" and "Esme" as they enjoy their stereotypical, imperialist-flavored lives, then pop in the DVD and for goodness' sakes don't watch the stream

I've seen reviews I entirely didn't agree with. That isn't the issue.

As my brother once said when I showed him someone's review: "I can form my own oppinions". (though in my head I was going "That wasn't the point")

I am only saying that stuff as it is to me indicative of what I am going to see and how possibly it is going to go. As I said: The Three Pillars. (or in this case two). A well done "rage" is entertaining almost no matter what its material or conclusion.

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because they're a fertile site of "what could have been" in the narrative

The parts I do like about the Disney version over the original is the outright depravity. I am not sure if that is a product of the books of the time or if it was just trying to be shocking with the outright "what the heck"ness of the time. Though as I understand Hunchback book is mostly a book about VERY flawed characters making it a rather dark story that is almost ONLY remembered for practically its starting chapters (It is odd... It is a litterary classic but anything past the chaining of the Hunchback is unknown in the public consciousness. Even Wishbone featured it)

I wonder if your going to just rage against disney picking up the film or if your going to at least go "Well its kids, HOWEVER they could have still added depth here".

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you want to cheer for "Quasi" and "Esme"

They arn't really strong characters. The movie's fault is the overall weak characters and how it often forgets what would otherwise be strong character points. Its only real strength is having possibly the most dynamic or ambiguous of the disney villains.

Also as an adult I don't like how they basically give Quasimodo super powers.

That and good music scenes (with admittingly WEAK ones... Actually just "god help the outcast", "out there", and "Heaven's light/Hell Fire" are the good ones)

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So if you want to watch, you can watch, but I warn you that I'm in a very angry mood

Ok admittingly this is the part that troubles me. I guess I can peek in and see how "Raged" you are. Which in fact I could have just gone "How mad are you going to be?" instead of my first post (and would have got less "Damn you")

As an example of what I mean as an issue (For me, not your viewers)... Take just about any video of someone playing a "Unfair" videogame where they are also bad at it... Oddly very popular but not really what I am looking for.

If it IS going to just be... well... that, then yeah it just isn't for me.

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I just do it... For fun. Catelog and understand why somethings are good and others are bad. Why I like some things and why I don't like others. Currently I am going by the Three Pillars approach.

As well I am interested in someone's oppinions on disney since from what I understand while I actually really like disney movies, it isn't something I understand nor really looked into as to why someone wouldn't like it OUTSIDE of being both childish, a musical, or unfaithful to the source material. Hearing someone articulate it would be informative.
-Mind you... Classic disney is officially dead at this point. The DANG Frog Princess / Princess and the Frog movie and its THREE comedic relief characters

As well I have a tendency to attempt to predict things as soon as I see them. It often gives people the idea that I "dislike" something for some reason. I have no idea why...

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I was laughing my ass off at most of the Hunchback that we did watch

OHh its over? ohh well :P

Also it isn't hard to laugh at the original Hunchback novel. Just go "Wow that was a sweet moment. Now lets see how the Author will mess it all up!". If you read it that way, you will probably get quite a few laughs as characters actually have negative character development.

Good tactic when watching/reading/playing bad movies, books, games, or speaches. Unless people are there...
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While we're on the topic involving rage and gypsies, should I post one of my recent WTF moments here - which will in turn probably cause you to rage, Vector?

Or should I hold off on it until proper rage time.

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Ohh Gypsies you complicated group.

I find it hillarious that it is still alright to hate you.

and by Hillarious I mean uttarly stupid.

Though to admit I don't really understand the Gypsy situation.
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Okay, okay.  Now with less "damn you" included (and The Bells of Notre Dame in Arabic, as a bonus) =)  Thank you for the thoughtful post.


The original is "depraved" because it is proving a point about restrictions on the priesthood and society.  So, in a certain sense, Hugo was trying to deconstruct the religious atmosphere of the time.  But, at the same time, it also upholds some good aspects of that institution, such as its protection of the troubled members of society.  It indeed discussed some very, very flawed characters, who simultaneously had wonderful facets to their personalities.  It spoke to a lot of marginalized people.  It really broke a lot of ground, by saying "there's problematic things and good things," rather than going with the unilateral approach generally preferred at the time.  Not "the church is bad," but "there are some issues with the church."

It also spoke to a great number of philosophical questions, which it uncovered more than a hundred years before they were really "solved;" for example, the idea of fate created by the actions of others.  That was a crucial part of the story which was not covered at all in the Disney movie.

So, indeed, I am definitely going to be talking about depth, rather than just "Why did Disney pick it up?!"  I have some inherent rancor against Disney, but in this case I am going to try to speak more to the Disneyfication process as a social, rather than a mercantile, endeavor.


However, I can also appreciate a good piece of art.  So, this isn't just going to be a unilateral panning, which sounds like what you were worried about.

It will be precise and vicious--and indeed, most of this is going to be about the characters and their treatment.  It's not just "WTF I WANNA WIPE IT OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH;" more like "Good lord, Disney, why on earth are you doing this to my beloved novel?  Why are you doing this to these people?  Whyyyyy"  Nothing without reason.  Nothing without due mastication.

I should add that in me, anger usually ends up being more of a slow burn than an overwhelming rage.  That's how I feel it, anyway.  I don't know how it comes off.

Also, I may chat into a mic at the beginning, whilst people are tricking in, but in general it's going to be a text box thing (in all probability).


Why I dislike it will indeed be outside of childishness (... it's for kids), a musical (I believe we all know that I love musicals by now), or arbitrarily unfaithful to the source material.  A good deal of my nitpicking will indeed be involved with relationship to the source material, but again, it's not just "they changed it and now it sucks."  It's "they changed it in certain problematic ways, and here's another way it could have been handled."


As far as the book in popular society goes... yeah, I'm kind of shocked that they seem to have dumped the rest of the novel after the trial of Quasimodo.  I prefer the second half to the first  :-\  And it definitely has the best death by falling I've ever read.  Best pathetic declaration of love (seriously, "Esmeralda, I love you so much!  Look at all the places where I cut myself!").  Best Cain speech... it also gets massive points for its "tragic end."  An excellent integration of a huge amount of information.  Poetry, languages, hermeneutics, alchemy, architecture.  Goodness, and the questioning of Quasimodo... that was amazing.

And Gringoire, Clopin, and Jehan, who are the best side characters.

*cough*

I love that novel half to death.  It is honestly my favorite thing I have ever read, and I don't expect that to change soon.  I can understand why a good many people hate it, however.  When I don't feel like crying, I just imagine someone actually sitting down and giving Frollo's 6-page speech in the dungeon, and then I laugh... or I read one of the arguments in Latin about hell and the hanging, the original "x leads to y, y leads to z, and then you GO TO HELL" speech.  Or anything else, really, given the correct point of view.  The author is so indignant and fussy, the characters are so twisted, the story so convoluted, that I can't help loving it.  I love everything I've ever read by Hugo, really.  He's just magical.

Even Hernani, despite its being so terrible.  That should mean something :I


While we're on the topic involving rage and gypsies, should I post one of my recent WTF moments here - which will in turn probably cause you to rage, Vector?

Or should I hold off on it until proper rage time.

Sure, go for it if you like =)


Though to admit I don't really understand the Gypsy situation.

Huh, then you may actually enjoy this more than I thought you would.  I'm going to be talking about the cultural context the film is situated in more than the film in a vacuum.
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Yeah, okay so. I'm a redditor.

I grew up in Europe for sometime. It was mainly Den Haag, but I traveled throughout western Europe. Ran into a few "gypsies". I had overall fairly good experiences from watching Roma dancing and listening to their music. Granted I didn't live next to any of their camps but I saw them.

So I read this two weeks ago... In which quite a few Europeans were advocating genocide and eugenics. A vast majority were saying things about gypsies I would not have been surprised to hear about blacks from the KKK or "fags" from the WBC.

EDIT: I'm the third from the top, appalled commentator. ThisBuddhistLovesYou.

They are actually saying things like "they are a shit people and should be castrated" and "it's not like Jews during the Holocaust because gypsies steal".

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So, this isn't just going to be a unilateral panning, which sounds like what you were worried about

Exactly, also thank you for not ripping into me again. Usually after my second post I just get more, and worse, yelling (not intentionally mind you).

So thank you, very much, for your kind response.

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The original is "depraved" because it is proving a point about restrictions on the priesthood and society.

Interesting. Also "depraved" is just the best way I could say it or sum up what I mean.

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I'm going to be talking about the cultural context the film is situated in more than the film in a vacuum.

When I was younger I don't even think I understood that most of those other characters were supposed to be Gypsies. Though given the movie doesn't really exposit on anything other then "Oooh Gypsies, we don't like them!" I guess I can see why I didn't make any connection.

Actually if we were to pretend that the movie was the ONLY form of reference... Gypsy would just mean "entertainer" as they ALL were in that movie.

I guess France just hates entertainment in the Disneyverse.

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Also yeah I am just uttarly surprised by how much people hate the Gypsies... I've seen the Mafia treated with more respect.

My only understanding of their hatred is that their "camps" often are connected with illicit activities that extends even to modern times.
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Well, okay.  I've got to admit that I rewatched it and I really, really hated it.

But it's not for any of the aforementioned reasons, so ... mah.
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What did you hate it for, or are you saving that for your stream?
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