I am certain that Jokerman and Zrk have been sidelining. The latter has been performing some actions reminiscent of playing people off of each other. I don't like the persistent "So, how do you feel about [PLAYER]" questions that have been flying around. The latter also piggybacked off of my accusation of piggybacking and didn't exactly pay attention to LN's explanation >_> It looks like an opportunistic vote.
Then why, oh why, are you not trying to push them any harder? You hardly push them as much as SaintDraze, and that's getting a whole lot accomplished.
I'm observing them. Sometimes you have to push people as hard as you can, and sometimes you need to see what happens when they aren't under pressure. A lot of people drop more tells when they think the water is fine, than when they think it's boiling.
I am not sure why SaintDraze has been asking about roles so much. I have two guesses.
a. He is scum.
b. He is a newb with a PR (doctor) who wants advice on what to do.
I am currently trying to figure out which.
Think about if I was giving you this choice right now: You're either scum, or you're a PR. There is no way a dichotomy like that is beneficial as town. No. Way. If he claims a power role, someone has succeeded in finding a PR. (Or he's lying! [TWEEST!]) If he claims no power role, you've eliminated a choice for PR.
This is definitely the worst way to go about this, Vector. It's like your goal here is to get him to confess his role. That's not really your job though. Why does a PR have anything to do with it?
Why? There isn't any sort of precedent that makes this an either...or situation. It's a type of rolefishing.
What? No, I'm not saying I want him to claim. I'm saying that he's performed an action which makes logical sense to me only in two scenarios. You asked me what I thought, so I told you--but I wasn't saying anything about that piece of thought beforehand, was I? I've been simply thinking "Well, why
would someone say that? What could their motivations be?" I think I read something by Dakarian, a long time ago, that mentioned this sort of situation in town that was new to their power roles.
I'm questioning SaintDraze because I think he is scum, and voting him because he is being a passive, spineless, unoriginal fool and so on. If he's town, then he needs to shape up or ship out. If he's scum, he can go die. I don't want a claim in either scenario, and even if I received one, I wouldn't trust it.
I think you're town, as well as Leafsnail and LN. I don't have a read on Toaster yet. He's been a lot more quiet recently than I remember.
Okay, well, clearly you have reasoning to believe I am Town, along with Leafsnail and LNCP. You might want to start giving that a shot. Because, coincidentally, I am all for Townhunting, as well. I have always been a proponent for reasoning why someone is town as well as why someone is scum. I never understood why people had such an aversion to it.
So, please enlighten me.
Mostly, vague meta feelings--hence why I haven't been sitting here, going "Dude, x, y, and z are town!" at the top of my lungs. You three feel... self-assured, I think, in a way that I basically never sense from scum players. Leafsnail typically comes off slightly nervous to me when he's playing scum. You usually blather a bit less. LN is doing everything right thus far.
It's the absence of scumtells, plus the aggressive way you're playing--without being overly so, which seems to pop up fairly frequently in the more "townie-looking" scum.
That, and this feels almost exactly like the mountainous we played together, except for the fact that you're slightly more with it, a bit less confused.
I think NF is probably noobtown. Specifically, he hasn't been jumpy, he isn't acting like he's too easy to please--cooperative, but not overly so. The weird intro "What, are Leaf and Web scum together?!" thing is still bugging me, but given the recent beginners' games and the stuff coming out of them, I think it makes sense.
Is this an excuse or what? Are you saying he's scummy and that is was alright for you to have voted him? Are you saying he is town? WHY IS HE SUDDENLY MORE LIKELY TO BE TOWN NOW? You don't really segue into an answer at all. You just go from him being suspicious enough to drop your vote off of Toaster (who you suddenly find to be neutral or something) and keep it there.
Dropped my vote off of Toaster because I saw something elsewhere that I wanted to check out, and I didn't see anything too weird coming out of his response. I messed with Native Foreigner for a while, got a preliminary read from the aforementioned little list of reactions, and jumped on the guy who was involved in more definite scumtells (SaintDraze).
I'm saying he performed an act that could have been a hint of scummy, without being a big warning sign. I questioned him for a while, looked for signs of buddying and overreaction, asked him a question he shouldn't have answered and discovered that he wasn't bending over backwards. Scum tends to fall in one of two categories.
a. Too helpful.
b. Too angry.
He managed to escape both, so either my traps were too naive or he's actually town. For now, I'm leaning on the town side, since I have better targets and the only scummy thing he did was a matter of speculation, and could be explained equally well by his prior atmosphere.
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