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[ScriptWolf]

I think I might call a friend then but on my cane I replaced the probe launcher with a salvager 2 it did seem silly having it scan as well. I will use a different ship for scanning. But Nilik said he made his first bil from soloing in a cane so it's possible

[Rince Wind]

I have a probe launcher on my cane in case something goes wrong inside the WH, so I can scan my way out. It is just a security measure.
Nilik was living in a WH as well, I think.

[sluissa]

Rince, You're wrong about the level thing with salvage drones. I was salvaging all the sleeper wrecks for a group a couple of weeks ago with my drones and my level 3 skill. They were a bit slow on the large wrecks, one took about 10 minutes to do, but it finally salvaged it and I simply followed them through the sites as they finished them. by the time they finished the 4th site, I was well into the third one, and by the time they brought their own salvager in to help me, there were only a couple of wrecks left and the rest was just container cleanup.

Drones really are the way to go if you want to salvage, unless you've got a noctis, I suppose. That huge tractor range can help, but I'd never go through the hassle to fly back and bring in a second ship just to salvage unless the cargo was just too big to carry in my main ship.

I believe the drones do get past the level requirement somehow, but the chance to salvage on the large wrecks is pretty low, so you might get lucky and finish quick, or it might take 10-15 minutes.

[Rince Wind]

Ah, ok. I had my information from a thread over at the eve forums, but it was from shortly after the introduction of the drones.
I'd still go with the destroyer though, because you can use salvage tackle rigs and don't carry 5 drones that are useless in the fight. 10mins for the large wreck could be all the time you need to salvage the whole site. The rigs do make quite a difference. You also finish the site faster, and use less ammo (not that much of an isk sink, i admit).

I'd like to try when i come back, to see what is faster. Me with cane and destroyer, or someone else in cane (or another non drone-bc) with salvager and salvage drones.

[Twiggie]

I was easily doing each site in 10 minutes when I was with rince, and that was with only salvage I. and with the tractors, there is no container cleanup...

[BuriBuriZaemon]

If anyone is interested in mining ops, ThreeToe and I are always in near Ordion, mining.

[Poltifar]

You guys should be careful about mining. I hear the New Order is inspiring a lot of miner ganking recently, though it might not have yet spread to Ordion (which is the middle of nowhere).

[ScriptWolf]

Even if it was we are based near there I'm sure if someone called for help due to gankers help would come quickly.

Also guys I am still running and leading frequent mining operations and I also plan on getting my own orca so we can do them more frequently

[Poltifar]

If a gank starts, help will not arrive in time. Trust me. Ganks are over in less than 10 seconds.

[ScriptWolf]

Depends on how many gankers and how come help is

[BuriBuriZaemon]

It's a good practice to apply this rule when mining:

1. Dedicate an Overview tab to Battles and set it to show both (non-corp) players and pirates. If a combat vessel is approaching the ore belt you are at, chances are it's a ganker.

2. Always stay aligned to a safe spot.

Anymore else?

[Aavak]

Those are both good, especially the alignment one. I always remain aligned, regardless how large of a fleet I'm flying with.

But when mining on your own, or in a small fleet which wont realistically be able to provide support, fly with a tanked fit rather than one which maximises mining efficiency.

If a gank squad is serious about killing you, then there's nothing you can do to stop them, they'll just keep adding additional destroyers to their squad until they have enough to assure your destruction in the timeframe they have available before Concord react. However, generally speaking you have to have done something seriously daft, or be in a well known ganking hotspot to encounter people like that. Your average gank squad will assume you're not tanked, or will aim to take out macro-miners who likely have minimal tank.

Often they'll fly a mining ship to the belt, sit there for a few cycles to lower suspicion as they gather some trivial amount of ore, but while they're there they'll be using passive targeting and ship-scanners to check out your fit, and they'll leave you alone if it looks like you can take a pounding and have fit to survive or at least draw out a gank attempt, as there's plenty of people who wont be fit for tanking and thus much easier targets.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

Thanks, good advise. Will a ganker be able to tell if fitted modules are on/off when scanning?

[Aavak]

I don't know to be honest, I'd assume they can't but that may be wrong.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

I don't know to be honest, I'd assume they can't but that may be wrong.

Based on this video, it doesn't differentiate on/offline modules, so long as they are fitted they will be displayed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBQ2kMD1QR0