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BuriBuriZaemon

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Re: Eve Online
« Reply #1275 on: March 20, 2013, 06:22:34 am »

I still need 49 days to train racial ship skills and Retriever, but I am already able to fly a BC and will be able to fly any BC by then (including Command Ships). I am shield-tanking but I am limited to missiles. Given the setup of an ideal shield Incursion fleet, which ship I should go for? I was thinking of Basilisk but found out I'd need 38 days of training just to fly that ship.
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« Reply #1276 on: March 20, 2013, 06:29:13 am »

Just to mention that I can fly it should an armour fleet form, Guardian: Logi V.

I'll look into training shields but it'll be a while, sorry :(

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« Reply #1277 on: March 20, 2013, 08:11:42 am »

If I may, do not forget that this is all PLANNING for after the SSC.

I just felt like a friendly reminder was in order. After reading the whole incurssion discussion a few times I almost forgot about it.

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Yeah, I haven't started the Referral trial yet-sorry Lord Bucket, but I'd rather wait until I have a vacation to myself to take the biggest advantage of my timed trial. Nonetheless, I thank you for the referral.

A quick question, since I can see myself mining a LOT. How beneficial is it to use mining drones in a Carrier? This is mostly future planning since it's not feasible for me to have a carrier in a long time-not to mention having a lone carrier anywhere in Nullsec/Lowsec is just blood in the water. And I don't know of any carriers which are known for their outstanding cargo space.
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« Reply #1278 on: March 20, 2013, 09:32:56 am »

do not forget that this is all PLANNING for after the SSC.

At rough count we have 7 or 8 people who sound like they could be ready now, provided we armor tank. Apparently we have a lot more people with battleships than I realized.

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How beneficial is it to use mining drones in a Carrier?

It would be completely silly. In fact, it would be so completely silly, let's do the math just for fun.

Frist, assuming a new character without implants, it would take a minimum of 146 days of devoted training just to be able to fly a carrier. After mining and drones skills, plus the fact that you'd want carrier beyond minimum in order to field more drones, ballpark you're talking about 8-12 months of training time. Next, checking current prices for used capital ships, I see some Archon carriers for sale for 2.25 billion ISK. Since carriers are capital ships, you wouldn't be able to fly it in secure space, meaning it would be constantly at risk and a great big huge delicious target. And not be able to defend itself very well because you'd be using your drones to mine.

T2 mining drones mind 25 m^3 per cycle. Assuming max mining drone skill, multiply that by 1.25 for a net of 31.25 m^3. If you maxxed your carrier skill you'd be able to field a theoretical maximum of 10 of them, for a net of 312.5 m^3 worth of ore pre minute.

...which, incidentally, is just more than a third the rate I can mine in a ship that cost one tenth the price, is able to go into highsec, and takes much less time to train.

Purchase price of 2,250,000,000 ISK for the carrier, plus (rough estimate) of about 1.1 billion to buy required skillbooks. (Carrier and capital ship skillbooks alone come to 906 million) Let's ignore fitting costs, and round off to 3.35 billion.

Assuming you mine scordite, 312.5 m^3 of ore is worthabout 3.72 million. Fortunately, the Archon being a carrier rather than a supercarrier, is able to dock at stations. So, assuming you jetcan mine and do your own hauling, let's conservatively say that you spend about 10% of your time hauling ore, for a net income of 3,348,000 ISK/hour.

At that rate...3.35 billion divided by 3.348 million means that your arrangement would pay for itself in 1000.6 hours of mining. Assuming you mine 12 hours a day, your carrier would pay for itself in roughly 2.8 months of mining 12 hours a day.


Or you could, you know...train for a mining ship and be making ISK at three times that rate in the relative safety of highsec given a month or two of training and without spending over 3 billion ISK to do it.

Anyway, mining isn't much fun to begin with, and it's debatable whether it makes more money than other things you could be doing that are a lot more fun. If you want to mine, go for it...but I'd advise against engaging in any serious long-term plans for it. I can make comparable ISk/hour mining in a battleship without going through all the contortions required to be able to fly dedicated mining ships. If you want to mine to pay for your battleship in the first place, that's fine...but putting yourself in a battleship is only a couple hundred million ISK and can be done in your first 4-6 months worth of gametime. It doesn't need to be anything even remotely close to the kind of time and investment that you're proposing with the carrier idea.

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« Reply #1279 on: March 20, 2013, 03:37:46 pm »

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Mathematical!

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« Reply #1280 on: March 20, 2013, 06:01:56 pm »

How beneficial would a carrier be to incursions? Are there any in lowsec? Can carriers even participate?

Because I can fly one...

And yes, if we did an armor tanked fleet I'd be ready right now to fly. I'd improve over the next week or so as I finished skills I'd put off. I will be done with my battlecruiser skills in 8 more days and can concentrate on other things.
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« Reply #1281 on: March 21, 2013, 06:17:16 am »

How beneficial would a carrier be to incursions? Are there any in lowsec? Can carriers even participate?

Because I can fly one...

And yes, if we did an armor tanked fleet I'd be ready right now to fly. I'd improve over the next week or so as I finished skills I'd put off. I will be done with my battlecruiser skills in 8 more days and can concentrate on other things.

Carriers are useless in incursions.
Yes, there are low/nullsec incursions, but hardly anyone does them. Incursion systems have jammers in effect, so no one can jump in via cyno. They also can't get through the gates into the sites.
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« Reply #1282 on: March 21, 2013, 06:17:48 am »

I was just curious. :P
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« Reply #1283 on: March 21, 2013, 06:49:04 am »

So the way I see it we have a dilemma:

Most of our senior members are armour tanking but shield tanking is more efficient. :/
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« Reply #1284 on: March 21, 2013, 10:58:49 am »

So the way I see it we have a dilemma:

Most of our senior members are armour tanking but shield tanking is more efficient. :/

If we only get armor logis, we have to go for an armor fleet.
The shield tanking skills themselves only take a few days to train though.
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« Reply #1285 on: March 21, 2013, 05:37:12 pm »

As I said, I'm fine with either. The real question is do we have any logi pilots at all? Whichever logi skills we have will dictate the composition of the fleet.
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« Reply #1286 on: March 22, 2013, 06:02:48 am »

As I said, I'm fine with either. The real question is do we have any logi pilots at all? Whichever logi skills we have will dictate the composition of the fleet.

Though I realise you likely read my last post, for posterity I'll reiterate: Yes, I can fly a Guardian (Tech2 Amarr logistic ship) with all relevant skills to 5. This is an armour logistics ship.

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« Reply #1287 on: March 22, 2013, 06:17:58 am »

And with Ged I can fly Scimitar, the t2 Minmatar shield logi.
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« Reply #1288 on: March 22, 2013, 06:31:04 am »

I can do a Guardian, but relevant skills are at most 4.
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« Reply #1289 on: March 22, 2013, 08:23:55 am »

I guess this is a destiny's call for me to train for Legion instead of Tengu.
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