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[Comp112]

I am sure you already know what I wouldn't mind having.

Personally, id like the use of an advanced lab. I would be willing to purchase the lab, and haul it down from where ever I purchased it from.

On the defense side of things, I think we should focus on ewar, more as a deterrent then actual defense. And have plenty of offline guns ready for use in case we do get attacked.

By the by, since I am sure a lot of you may not know, I am Tenhrwppe in game.

[Rince Wind]

I have no interest in the PoS facilities. I think a med PoS ist probably good for a start, we can always upgrade later. Also, has someone checked the moons if there are some free ones?

10% tax is rather steep, imho. Do we have some scheme for the miners that they supply some of their ores to the corp? (Maybe 5%? Because most taxpayers will probably be missionrunners and salvage them, so not all their income is in the payments.)

[Aavak]

The tax situation is more of a test than anything, as suggested by LordBucket. It is performing more or less as I expected, in that very little tax revenue is being generated. I'm afraid that the way tax works is just generally short-sighted, in that (as Rince Wind has mentioned) it only targets mission runners, and even then, only a part of their income.

But it is worth seeing this test through to completion in my opinion, another few days should give us a decent snapshot to use as a basis for our decisions, but so far the daily income has ranged from 0.7m to 1.3m. I imagine that this is due to the fact that the biggest tax returns would come from level 4 mission runners, but currently it seems the people who're able to run 4's have abandoned missions for other (possibly more lucrative) means of making money. Aside form that, a lot of the members of the corp seem interested in mining over missioning.

The only issue with anchoring a medium tower for now, and upgrading later is that to anchor a tower the corp must have sufficient standing, which currently means that once we're settled on the PoS we're going to anchor, everyone will need to drop from the corp long enough for the standings to synchronise with mine (and any other high-standing players who don't need to leave) so that I can anchor it. If we then want to upgrade later, it'll once more mean people leaving the corp. It's purely a convenience thing, but still, I'd rather avoid having to do this too often lol.

As for the moons, yeah there are a couple which are free in Ordion

[Rince Wind]

I will come in the corp once the PoS is up. And I generate some tax running incursions.

[Poltifar]

I myself might be able to make use of some research slots in a POS, but I certainly wont be using them often, as local NPC stations have a lot of free invention slots, and I dont do material/time research, so the only thing I'd use on a POS would be Copy slots. And even then, I'd only need to use them a few days per month, as copies are made far faster than I can research then manufacture the products.

As for POS size, I'd think a large POS is way too big. If only me and comp (and possibly a couple more people at most) are doing research, and possibly not continuous research as in my case of only needing slots a few days per month, then maybe even a small POS could be enough.

[ScriptWolf]

I will be doing continuous research and industry all the time and rather extensively so I will make a lot of use out of it.

[Aavak]

Okay, so as it stands we have Comp, ScriptWolf, and Poltifar who are interested in the PoS. Mostly, it's research, but by the sounds of it ScriptWolf would also be interested in manufacture. In this case, what sorts of things would you be looking to build ScriptWolf? Different items require different modules to be anchored.

I myself might make use of the PoS on occasion depending on how busy it seems, however much like Poltifar, my needs would be minimal and exclusively research orientated if I use it at all (currently NPC stations cater to my needs adequately, but I might look to get some copying done now and again)

Ponltifar has already explained that they wouldn't be looking to use the Labs often, and ScriptWolf has stated that they'd make quite extensive use of Labs and possibly Factories. How about you Comp? At present depending on just how much you and ScriptWolf feel you'd want to use the Labs/Factories we may just go for a Medium PoS, and possibly even a Small. Depending on how many Labs we decide to put up.

[forsaken1111]

If labs are available I'll probably be interested in doing some invention and research as well.

[ScriptWolf]

Right now I'm building huge laser turrets for 2mil a pop so would need a lot of slots to efficiently roll them out. Also I'f people don't mind helping to mine stuff so I can build the guns quicker I will give people a % if they help out.

Also I'm looking to go into ship manufacture as well mainly battle cruisers/ships

Also can I sell items as the corp ? If so I can sell %20 of what manufacture and it go straight to the corp wallet 

[Markus]

. . .

Excuse me. I may be freeing up some time to try out EVE online in the near future. As much as just dumping myself into the game would be easy, I'd feel more a ease if I joined up with some Fellow B12'ers.

But I certainly can't make you guys just take me in, and I can see why you wouldn't want me in either.

I doubt you want a true-blue Newbie. I may be a quick-learner, but if I start to lose interest in an online game I usually disappear unceremoniously and quietly. . . would be a problem if you guys trust me with any regular jobs, wouldn't it?

If you'd have me, I wouldn't mind doing any menial tasks in the game-mining, salvage, freight, etc. as long as it was within my capacity to do it. But then again, that totally depends on if/when I even join EVE online. Which may be a while-these next two weeks are going to be very busy for me.

-Thanks-

Edit:By some miracle of infinite stupidity I did not realize, despite long hours of reading about EVE online, that it was subscription based playing. That may put a damper on things. . . Nonetheless, I'd like to hear what you guys think of the game, what your experience is, etc.

[sluissa]

I'm not in a position to judge or affect the outcome, but I do feel that a PoS at the moment might be pushing things a  bit fast and even potentially wasting resources.  I personally won't have a use for it, but as I've only contributed minimal amounts towards the corp fund, I admit I don't have much of a say in the matter.

That's only my opinion though, and if we have people willing to use it and who think they can pay the upkeep, then I won't argue about it.

I will say, however, that being a tiny corp with a big price item just floating in space makes me a bit nervous. Even if it is in high sec.

[Comp112]

I'm planning on dumping the rest of my ISK into researching, so I would be using it quite a bit. Which is why I would like to request advanced labs, instead of the standard ones. I would even be willing to pay for my own dedicated lab if people would be okay with that.

[ScriptWolf]

I'm planning on dumping the rest of my ISK into researching, so I would be using it quite a bit. Which is why I would like to request advanced labs, instead of the standard ones. I would even be willing to pay for my own dedicated lab if people would be okay with that.

I would also like this and agree to pay

[Poltifar]

I found a PoS calculator. Here's the URL for a setup I tried: http://eve.1019.net/pos/?ct=04&mod=050505434343030303&off=

This set up is a medium Caldari tower (because we need a lot of CPU). Note how it is MORE than enough for 3 normal and 3 advanced labs, AND 3 equipment assembly arrays that give 18 manufacturing slots in total. This is obviously far, far, far more than enough, even with Comp and Scriptwolf both doing continuous research, and Scriptwolf doing continuous manufacturing. Heck, unless these two have maxed out research skills, we could probably have 3-4 more people doing continuous research at the same time!

(Note I didnt include defenses, because defenses would be offline until war is declared, at which point the labs should be moved to an NPC station and replaced with defenses)

Here's a small Caldari tower to compare: http://eve.1019.net/pos/index.php?ct=05&mod=05434303&off=

This has 6 equipment manufacturing slots (should be enough for Scriptwolf unless he has very high manufacturing skills), and a total of 7 copy slots, 7 ME slots, 9 invention slots, and 3 PE slots. Again, should be far more than enough for Scriptwolf and Comp, plus an occasional someone else borrowing a copy slot or whatnot.

Seeing this, I think that, if all we want is the above mentioned people (including myself) doing the stated amount of research, plus Scriptwolf doing manufacturing, then a small POS is more than enough. And it costs half as much to maintain per day as a medium POS.

[ScriptWolf]

that might be enough for me for now... also my manufacturing skills are very high im working on getting capital ship stuff and not long off skilling for that also if people make tech 2 blueprints and dont mind me buying them for mates rates then i would be able to pump more money into the corp