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[LordBucket]

uhh can anyone help me ?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=151439444

I'd try tinkering with graphics settings, then head to the Odyssey issues thread. It's 30+ pages right now. Odds are good somebody else is having the same problem.

[Tyg13]

Welp, looks like TEST space in Fountain/Delve is about to be completely carved up by the CFC, PL, and NC. back deals...

http://raynor.cl/eve/formRecive.php?id=w5YrknI - Goon expeditionary force.

Good. I always hated those Reddit alliance fuckers. Always suicide ganking out in Ordion in organized gangs. Not that the goons or anyone else are better, but if it gets those assholes off my back, then I don't care.

Besides, it'll be interesting to see the two biggest coalitions in EVE duke it out. Where's the popcorn when you need it?

[KaelGotDwarves]

Besides, it'll be interesting to see the two biggest coalitions in EVE duke it out. Where's the popcorn when you need it?

The problem (for TEST) is that they gave the finger to the rest of their coalition. It's TEST vs three of the most powerful alliances in the game and their friends that want TEST's space-rich territory.

[ScriptWolf]

I'm currently fighting out there T.T things are really hot right now and I'm currently in the thick of it as well... It sort of sucks I'm going to lose massive amounts of isk and I can't mine or do anything to generate more currently.

[Tyg13]

I'm currently fighting out there T.T things are really hot right now and I'm currently in the thick of it as well... It sort of sucks I'm going to lose massive amounts of isk and I can't mine or do anything to generate more currently.

I thought Goons had a form of compensation? At least a ship program so that noobs don't have to spend millions of their own isk fighting in a war they could care less about. Otherwise, why would anyone fight for the Goons? Is there a benefit other than being able to say you're part of the biggest alliance in EVE? If not, I'd just say fuck that and quit. Not your war.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Goonswarm has 100% reimbursement if you fit fleet doctrine on war ops. The rest of the CFC is a mixed bag.

[Graknorke]

They're a huge group of space communists. Or at least the closest anything I have heard of that is space communists.

[ScriptWolf]

Yeah I'm part of the cluster in FCON I have not really found out about what sort of program's they offer. But I think this war in delve will very much decide the future for the alliances due to the new introduction of R64 moons where all the rare stuff is held. I remember reading on the swarm forums that things were a little bit bad and considering cutting things...

[Rolepgeek]

They're a huge group of space communists. Or at least the closest anything I have heard of that is space communists.

You're thinking of tau.

I'm in a small mining corp, and I've basically become the bookkeeper. Today will be spent making spreadsheets.

[forsaken1111]

They're a huge group of space communists. Or at least the closest anything I have heard of that is space communists.

You're thinking of tau.

I'm in a small mining corp, and I've basically become the bookkeeper. Today will be spent making spreadsheets.

What a fun MMO you seem to be playing.

[LordBucket]

So finally bought a tengu and took it out. Wanted to be cautious, especially since they're not really insurable. So I did an L3 mission in Amarr space. Got the Blockade, and it took an hour. Had to warp out probably 4-5 times. Overall I'd describe it as "better than a caracal." Which is not saying much for a 400 million ISK ship.

It would be better if I were in caldari space to benefit from kinetic missiles and incoming damage that matches my natural resistance. It would be better if I finished training subsystem skills to 5. It would be better if finish training for T2 HAMs and use those instead of heavies...maybe. I was not finding speed tanking to be very effective, and it seemed to work better as an artillery platform. It would be better if I invest a few days into launcher rigging so I can actually put rigs in without running out of cpu. Yes, there are a lot of things I can do to improve its performance, but overall my first impression is not to be impressed.

I've read lots of times that the "great" thing about strategic cruiser is how oh-so-versatile they are. I'm just not seeing it. Because of the high cost combined with uninsurability and perma-skill losses if it's destroyed...it's not like this is a ship I'm going to take out to null or use to explore wormholes. Odyssey removed the ability of strategic cruiser to go into 4/10 complexes so I won't be doing that. It's not suitable for incursions. And with no utility slots and no drones it can't even loot missions.  It's expensive, it's uninsurable, it's hard to fit, it's a massive skillpoint sink, it has lousy capacitor, it's more durable than other ships in its size class, but not overwhelmingly so, and while its damage is certainly better than ships of its size class, it's a lot less than battleships...which are a whole lot cheaper and less risky to fly.

What purpose is this ship supposed to serve?

[Rince Wind]

My Loki has about 120k EHP. Coupled with the small sig and its relativly high speed (it is armor tanked) it can survive quite a lot of beating. And that is not a max Tank fitting. A Proteus can fit even more tank. 200k ehp are quite common.

For Missions, t3 are used to blitz them, not to kill everything. Just kill all you need to kill, tank the rest, and get out to collect your LP. Not sure if that is viable with a t2 tank and t1 weapons though.

But I have to say when I bought my PvE Loki (the PvP one is a recent addition to my hangar) I had a similar impression. I used it for Exploration and it was really convenient to only need one ship for scanning, fighting and hacking. That is not viable anymore, of course, unless I skip DED 3/10 and 4/10 complexes (t3s can still get into the unrated ones). I don't really know what to do with the PvE Loki.

(Some fleets use t3 as Dronebunnies in incursions. But 720mm Arty Lokis are preferred.)

Oh, I did take the Loki to 0.0 a couple of times, because t3s are the safest ships you could use. Interdiction Nullifier and CovOps cloaks can get you through almost everything.

[KaelGotDwarves]

The key to T3s are stupid customisability, with large resists and a small signature radius. It's an endgame ship.

Do you want an almost 500k ehp Proteus? You can do that. Do you want a cloaking cruiser that can get into perfect range of an unsuspecting ratter and then decloak and almost instapop them? You can do that. Do you want a fast attack ship that can web a bunch of attackers in a wide radius? A loki can do that.

If you aren't already at 4-5 for all of your other support skills, don't get in a T3. If you aren't in subsystem 4-5, don't step in a T3.

Otherwise, you can generally get the damage of a bc with a higher speed, much smaller sig radius, and better utility, and that is worth it.

There's a reason that the CFC invasion is relying much more on T3 fleets than bs fleets in this Delve war. TEST is still forming up in battleships and getting entire fleets whelped to stealth bombers every time.

[LordBucket]

If you aren't already at 4-5 for all of your other support skills,
don't get in a T3. If you aren't in subsystem 4-5, don't step in a T3.

I'm 4-5 in all relevant support skills except launcher rigging, and 3-4 in subsystems. Over 3 million skillpoints in electronics/engineering/mechanics and just under two million in missiles. Adding two million in subsystem skills would obviously help, and there are still other things I need to do like finish training HAMs and so forth but today was my "first day" sitting in it, and my first impression was one of disappointment.

500k ehp Proteus? You can do that.

My Loki has about 120k EHP.
200k ehp are quite common.

I don't see any way to do that with a tengu. It's a shield ship. Shield extenders increase my radius, so I'd have to do it exclusively with resist modules. I am doing more damage with the tengu than I can do with anything else I can fly smaller than a battleship, but the thing just seems terribly delicate.

In fact, with resist modules active, my tengu has only 22k ehp and 4700 shield hp. For comparison, my T1 caracal has 17k ehp and 10k shield hp. In fact, here's a highly ranked battleclinic tengu fit that costs over 2 billion ISK with only 32k ehp.

I guess we'll see where it is in a couple more weeks of skill training, but right now it's more damage than battlecruiser but less than a battleship, and with similar durability as a T1 cruiser. Given the massive risks and costs involved with flying this thing, I really expected more. I wanted a definite upgrade from my drake and right now it seems that what I got was "better in some ways and worse in others" at 8 times the price, and with uninsurability and permanent skill loss on death.

[KaelGotDwarves]

It's a caldari ship. It's a missile boat designed for being better at pve, so all the blingy mission runners fly around those bil+ Tengus.

Every ship in Eve is a pvp ship, so Tengus (and caldari in general outside ECM) don't excite me that much.