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[BuriBuriZaemon]

700 mil Tier 3 frigate

Firstly, you mean Tech 3 Cruiser. "Tiers" are the old way of ranking how good a ship is within it's class, and that is being done away with since CCP is moving towards a roles-based system.

Secondly, a well-fit (Meta 4/5) T3 only costs about 300m ISK, give or take. It's the fully pimped Deadspace/Officer/Faction/T2 fit that will cost you just shy of 1b ISK.

Wups, yes, I meant Strategic Cruiser. I didn't know it'd cost that low. This means I am closer to a Legion/Tengu than I ever thought.

Count me out of incursions for now. Even though I have ample funds to buy any ship that would be used to run it, I just don't have the skills to actually pilot such a ship

We're not going to do this anytime soon. I don't even have either the skills or the ISK, lol.

[forsaken1111]

Even so...

BuriBuri, would you like to be in charge of organizing the fleet? I realize this isn't happening any time soon but a list of roles and training targets for them would help to start making plans. If I need to crosstrain smooth for shield tanking it means I need to train for a non-gallente ship or use one of the few gallente ships built for shield tanking, for example.

[BuriBuriZaemon]

To be frank, I don't enough about Incursion yet and have only been on EVE for 1.5 months. I think it's best to appoint a dedicated experienced FC for this purpose. I am sure senior players like Anja, Rince, and Mostyn have a wealth of knowledge they can share with us.

Good news is we actually have a TS server to communicate should we do Incursion.

[Rince Wind]

I am happy to answer any incursion related questions. After all, it is what I do for a living in EvE.

When I say tier 3 BC I mean the Naga, Talos, Tornado and Oracle. Not Tech 3 cruisers.

All we can do as a corp are vanguard fleets, proper assault fleets need 20 pilots, HQs 40.

A vanguard fleet needs:
2 logistics (better 2 of the same, in shield vanguard fleets scimitars are preferred for their tracking links. But basilisks work as well. If we had one of each it would mean that the basilisk had to capchain with a battleship.)
1 ship with superior webs: Vindicator (more than one is good, vindicators are awesome), Loki or Hunginn (only one, they don't do a lot of DPS), or a bhaalgorn (though you don't see many bhaals.).
Rest DPS with large turrets.

10-11 Members is optimal. 11 gives you a bit less than the max. payout, but you do the sites quicker. A noobish fleet can probably get around 40-60mil/hour.
We would all overtank, because most of you are rather new, and we probably would not have a proper offgrid booster. Though Rince could fit a Loki or a Sleipnir with some shield links. That would mean I would be Logi with Ged.

Skills:
DPS:
large guns for you ship and gunnery support skills. the higher the better. t2 guns preferred, but those take a while.
your ship skill to 4. as a lot of you are training bc to 5, the tier 3 bc are not a bad choice. They out-DPS quite a few of their BS counterparts. Especially a blaster Talos can easily have in excess of 1000 DPS.
tactical shield manipulation 4 for t2 hardeners/the equivalent for armor hardeners
hull upgrades 5 for a damage control II (i think that is the skill)

Logis: Logistics 4 for Basilisk/Guardian, 5 for Scimitar/Oneiros. 5 is always better.
Multitasking 3, 4 preferred.
Your cap and fitting skills.


I probably forgot something.

[Graknorke]

Can any traders here tell me why the value of tritanium increased massively between January and April 2012?
It's pretty noticeable on the EVE Markets price history graph. But I haven't been around long enough to actually know why that was.

[Rince Wind]

Was the loot change in the Winter expansion?
Sometime they changed it so that normal meta 0 stuff doesn't drop anymore. As it was not worth a lot, it was often converted to minerals. And the drones don't drop their ores anymore either, that was another source of minerals.

[LordBucket]

the tier 3 bc are not a bad choice

Would it be viable if half the fleet is composed of them, and using T1 guns? As you say, most of us have or are training BC 5, and those ships are all in the 65-85 million range. Given a week to train large class lasers/hybrids/projectiles, this is probably something we could do soon.

[Rince Wind]

As long as you have a t2 tank and some gunnery support skills (tracking, damage, controlled bursts (if you use hybrids/lazers) and so on should be at 3+ preferably).

I can send a corpmail with some fittings around later today.

The biggest problem will be Logis, as I see it, and the more specialized webber.
Next to becoming 10 in fleet at the same time for some time to make it worth it.

[LordBucket]

The biggest problem will be Logis

Alisa flies logistics. Also, it's possible that Smooth and/or Anja might.

and the more specialized webber.

Off the top of my head I don't know of anyone in the group who flies a Vindicator, but it's possible we might have somebody with a Loki. Is the range bonus something we can live without? Surely somebody can make room for a couple webifiers.

fittings

For myself, I did some tinkering in EFT, and this is what I came up with. These numbers do not include drones or gang bonuses:

Abaddon, if we armor tank
Armor resists: 82.4%EM 77.8%Th 75.2%Ki 72.7%Ex
84,498 effective HP
581 dps
Cap stable

Abaddon, if we shield tank
Shield resists: 77.9EM 70%Th 77.5%Ki 81.2%Ex
85,672 effective HP
547 dps
Cap stable

Alternately, I can fly/fit any tier 3 battlecruiser. If we shield tank, I have level 5 in both siege warfare skills, plus the slot 10 implant. If we armor tank, both Anja and Smooth have comparable skills for armor.

[ScriptWolf]

im up for incursions

i can ride a hurricane if that would be ok ? im nearly at tech 2 guns and Armour tank well in it

[Comp112]

Well, good news is I am a hand full of days away from a full T2 shield tank. Bad news is I am a bit over 30d from t2 large rails. If I am to participate, I should use rails over missiles, especially since my gunnery skills are leaps and bounds better.

I was reading that guide, and I could probably come up with a BS fit with a full T2 tank, I assume the would be preferable to a Tier 3 BC.

[Burnt Pies]

I can do Armour Logi right now, but shield Logi would require Caldari Cruiser V, and I've not got any Caldari Cruiser skill.

[Rince Wind]

The biggest problem will be Logis

Alisa flies logistics. Also, it's possible that Smooth and/or Anja might.

and the more specialized webber.

Off the top of my head I don't know of anyone in the group who flies a Vindicator, but it's possible we might have somebody with a Loki. Is the range bonus something we can live without? Surely somebody can make room for a couple webifiers.

fittings

For myself, I did some tinkering in EFT, and this is what I came up with. These numbers do not include drones or gang bonuses:

Abaddon, if we armor tank
Armor resists: 82.4%EM 77.8%Th 75.2%Ki 72.7%Ex
84,498 effective HP
581 dps
Cap stable

Abaddon, if we shield tank
Shield resists: 77.9EM 70%Th 77.5%Ki 81.2%Ex
85,672 effective HP
547 dps
Cap stable

Alternately, I can fly/fit any tier 3 battlecruiser. If we shield tank, I have level 5 in both siege warfare skills, plus the slot 10 implant. If we armor tank, both Anja and Smooth have comparable skills for armor.

How did you manage to have less DPS on a shield ship? 
Abaddon is bad for incursions. I think the Armageddon is ok. Or the Oracle. You need around 60% resists across the board for shields. A Nightmare pilot I know flies a Nightmare with around 52k EHP. Before boosts, the fleets have always full boosts.

im up for incursions

i can ride a hurricane if that would be ok ? im nearly at tech 2 guns and Armour tank well in it

No. Remember, this is not something we're going to do next week. The Tornado is what you should be aiming for. At least for a shield fleet. We CANNOT mix shield and armor in one fleet.

Well, good news is I am a hand full of days away from a full T2 shield tank. Bad news is I am a bit over 30d from t2 large rails. If I am to participate, I should use rails over missiles, especially since my gunnery skills are leaps and bounds better.

I was reading that guide, and I could probably come up with a BS fit with a full T2 tank, I assume the would be preferable to a Tier 3 BC.

Not necessarily. Talos is much better than a Rokh. (Naga as well). Probably better than Megathron as well.
Rails suck. Blasters are awesome. t2 blasters even have decent range with null.

I can do Armour Logi right now, but shield Logi would require Caldari Cruiser V, and I've not got any Caldari Cruiser skill.

Get Minmatar cruisers to 5 then, if you want to choose one of the shield logistics. Scimitars are better in vanguards (the bigger fleets like to keep some basis around to give cap to neuted ships).


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Shield vs armor:
I am not sure about the cycle time on the Large Remote Armor Repairers. Shield is 4 seconds, about 3 with max boosts. If you are a bit too slow on the armor reps, a tier 3 BC is probably down. With shields, you still have a chance, because the reps hit as soon as you start the module (armor comes when the cycle of the module finishes). So i am not sure, if tier 3 BCs are viable for armor fleets. And they are the easiest class of ships to get into that can actually contribute in a meaningful way. And it takes less time to get a few shield skills than to get proper bs skills.
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If you want to try incursions (and i'd encourage you to do it) there are a few channels you can join ingame from where fleetmember are recruited. Always say that you are new, the incursion community in very friendly in general (there is just same bantering and also frequently drama between the different communities), they will usually help you with your fittings and explain to you what you need to know in fleets.
Ingame Incursion Channels (all of them are public to my knowledge):
BTL Pub: Once the biggest incursion channel ingame, the community basically formed there, then branched out. It is mostly dead now, even though quite a few ppl are still in it.

The Valhalla Project: aka TVP. The biggest incursion community at the moment. They have an HQ Fleet running almost 23/7 and are noobfriendly. Shieldfleets.

Lv6: Vanguard training fleets, they have an invite only shiny channel as well. They usually have a fleet up for at least half the day. They have a mailing list with shipfittings and are noobfriendly (just don't insist on your fitting vs the official one). Shieldfleets

DKY Public: Also a noobfriendly vanguard community when it comes to the ship types, only 2 FCs atm, but both very good (from what i have heard, only flown with one of them). Shieldfleets.

ICU Public: Another Vanguard community. You don't have a pirate ship? get out (or join their less demanding training channel: ICU Training, I like the Lv6 guys better, they are friendlier overall. But I might be biased.) Shieldfleets.

ISN Secondary: Elite HQ Channel. They will have vanguard fleets if they don't get the numbers for HQs, but are smaller then TVP, so won't have a fleet up all the time. Pirate BS only usually. Contrary to what you might read in TVP they are a friendly bunch as well. Shieldfleets.

DIN Flotten: A German community. I don't fly with them because i don't like their leader. Shieldfleets (fleet commands are in English, they might also recruit from The Valhalla Project)

Mumble Incursions: Never flown with them. Shield assaults, as far as i know, I have no idea how active they are.

Allied Incursions Public: Pretty new, they want to built a community away from the drama of the big three (DIN, TVP, ISN), so everybody is welcome. I have yet to see them forming a fleet though. Shieldfleets

The Ditanian Fleet: The biggest armor incursion community. Also the only Armor Incursion community I know of, though I heard there is a newer one that also recruits from there. Used to be dramaqueens, not sure how it is today. Armorfleets.

[ScriptWolf]

ugghhhh shields T..T finee

also guys remember there is a mining op going on tomorrow ! we need haulers ( or a orca ) miners and muscle i will be leading this at around 5-6pm for several hours

[forsaken1111]

5-6pm what time zone?

Regarding incursions: I see a lot of talk about battlecruisers and such, is that just because of the cost issue? Is it alright to kit out/train for a battleship or strategic cruiser for these instead?