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[Darvi]

This is simply a Scotsman fallacy.

I hate being associated with this, but alas, it's too late to do something about it.

[Criptfeind]

No true scotsman would mind!

[Taricus]

But yer nae true scotsman!

[Pnx]

The UK has an exceptionally well funded military, I'm told it's the best equipped in the world due to it having a budget nearly as good as the US's compared to it's size, and has less of it's money going towards experimental weapons and such, and more towards keeping the soldiers equipped... Of course they wouldn't be so well equipped without America's experimental projects that come up with their equipment but that's another issue.

[Neonivek]

The UK has an exceptionally well funded military, I'm told it's the best equipped in the world due to it having a budget nearly as good as the US's compared to it's size, and has less of it's money going towards experimental weapons and such, and more towards keeping the soldiers equipped... Of course they wouldn't be so well equipped without America's experimental projects that come up with their equipment but that's another issue.

You know if they put the money from soup kitchens into ammo they wouldn't have the homeless problem.

[Criptfeind]

The UK has an exceptionally well funded military, I'm told it's the best equipped in the world due to it having a budget nearly as good as the US's compared to it's size,

That would make it really freeken tiny then, would it not?

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Criptfiend - You still cant answer MY original premise, you are lost in obscurities of one of my posts, that HAS nothing to do with my original argument.  Alas, I allowed you to pull me in a bit, but still, the questions remains.

Also, about your "not being able to raise more taxes" bit.  Dont be foolish and think there is enough moeny everywhere (like the rich or those EVILE corps or somesuch).  Here is a simple, brief, funny analysis of the get more money stance:

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/feed-your-family-on-10-billion-a-day.html

simply and straight forward.

[Criptfeind]

Hokay.

First, no.

I have said several times now, in differing ways, I don't give a shit about your premise, whatever that was. I just want to know where the hell you think governments money comes from if not from taxes. You said: Bluh bluh bluh the government does not use taxes bluh bluh. So I asked what the fuck you were smoking and where I could get some. You proceeded to change the argument every time I pointed out what a god damn moron you are.

Second, No.

No one as far as I can see in  this entire thread has said the government has enough money. You are not allowed to say we are stupid for thinking it has enough money on one hand and using the other hand to angry ask where we would cut it if we are so smart.

To untangle the thought possess of that last paragraph: You are then only one who has ever insinuated that the government has enough money. Also no one else is yelling nearly as loud as you that that is stupid.

I honestly do not understand you, but if I was to take a stab I would say you are calling yourself mentally deficient.

Third, what?

That website makes no sense, we are running a little over a trillion dollars a year with a total of almost 14 trillion. Where the hell did he get 3.7? (Note, I know where he got 3.7. He is assuming, apparently much like yourself, that the government has no income at all in away way. This is a stupid assumption, after all, every tax day be pay a ton of money to the government. They do not just lose it behind the couch like this guy is thinking. And that is only around 40% of the governments money.)

Fourth, what again.

Seriously that website is so stupid. I don't understand why you linked to it at all. It has nothing to do with the real world at all. It blatantly ignores everything and then fills in the gaps with sarcastic remarks about stealing everything.

[Leafsnail]

I'm kinda confused.  This moved from "The UK is right to cut homelessness support because THE GOVERNMENT HAS RUN OUT OF FREE MONEY" to "If the US government collected all its money in random and arbitrary ways instead of through taxes, it would look stupid" without any apparent logical connection.

[Criptfeind]

Why do people say the same things as me in much smarter ways all the time?

[fqllve]

It's all about succinctness.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Hokay.

First, no.

I have said several times now, in differing ways, I don't give a shit about your premise, whatever that was. I just want to know where the hell you think governments money comes from if not from taxes. You said: Bluh bluh bluh the government does not use taxes bluh bluh  ( YOUR A LIAR CRIPTY ). So I asked what the fuck you were smoking and where I could get some. You proceeded to change the argument every time I pointed out what a god damn moron you are.

here is my original statement you went boffo over:

Or maybe the left wingers kept giving way all the money and now there isnt enough left for everyone cuz the damn public trough is empty.....
Farseer in his comments below hits it on the head and doesnt even realize it:  SOMETHING must be cut.  Education - cant do that,  FREE Healtch Care - oh hell no cant do that, Homeless shelters  - damn thats rough, but gotta start somewhere.  Cuz if you dont, it will ALL dissapear.  It sucks when Big Brother/Nanny/Mommy runs outta free money for ya.

The healthcare isn't free.  We pay for it, and we get it.  Big Brother and the imaginary Nanny State do not come into it.

I guess there'll be a lot more homeless people after the conservative cuts anyway...

Question:  How do you pay for it?  Do you pay the doctor when u see him?  Or does the government pick up the tab?  I am curious.

EDIT:  Sorry for the double posts back to back!  My bads.

To which you insanely replied:

/:l

Wut?

Do you think the government just has this well of money that it all comes from and your taxes are set on fire?

Which makes no fucking sense,

Second, No.

No one as far as I can see in  this entire thread has said the government has enough money. You are not allowed to say we are stupid for thinking it has enough money on one hand and using the other hand to angry ask where we would cut it if we are so smart.

To untangle the thought possess of that last paragraph: You are then only one who has ever insinuated that the government has enough money  ARE YOU BRAINDEAD CRIPTY? . Also no one else is yelling nearly as loud as you that that is stupid.

I honestly do not understand you, but if I was to take a stab I would say you are calling yourself mentally deficient.

Third, what?

That website makes no sense, we are running a little over a trillion dollars a year with a total of almost 14 trillion. Where the hell did he get 3.7? (Note, I know where he got 3.7. He is assuming, apparently much like yourself, that the government has no income at all in away way. This is a stupid assumption, after all, every tax day be pay a ton of money to the government. They do not just lose it behind the couch like this guy is thinking. And that is only around 40% of the governments money.)

Fourth, what again.

Seriously that website is so stupid. I don't understand why you linked to it at all. It has nothing to do with the real world at all. It blatantly ignores everything and then fills in the gaps with sarcastic remarks about stealing everything.

Seriously, to you, read, comprehend, analyze, respond.  Its not hard Cripty.  You didnt even understand the discussion from the beginning and have now derailed it to the point insanity because you could not even understand the first point. 

If the entire link doesnt make sense to you, all i have to say is, WOW.  You really do miss the mark.  I mean, your right, the number is 1+ trillion per year, so like, if we steal everything, we might make it 3 or 4 years instead! /SARC - wow, i mean, really, wow!  holy shit.   whats the point of discussion if your that obtuse................


Lets recap:  a statement was made about evil bad goverment cutting services.  I responded with question about how to decide what to cut since money (this is important Cripty - read it) doesnt grow on trees.  Then you went spaz.  I must admit my fault in allowing you to bait me like this.  I should have moved on from your chattering and feces throwing.  But I got sucked in.  After that I asked you "Do you really think that taxes are the only goverment revenue?" and then your went more spaz, and now even scream my own argument back to me in some bizarre world of illogic.

@ Leafsnail, I didnt want to use defense as a cut because I see it as a too easy to got strawman argument.  Its a knee-jerk response from certian points of view with backup.  I didnt mean to snap at everyone and sorry if somehow I offended you or something,  Cripty just go tme a tad riled up, which is totally my bad.

PS -  I would lke someone to show we where I said the government doesnt use tax money.  I only said there are also other revenues sources.  Never implied how much or how little each was compared to the other.  I was simply asking questions to generate discouse.

PPS - Neoniveks answer made me laugh.  Cynicism at its finest!

PPPS - I am descended from iimigrant scots............crap.

PPPPS - why am i arguing this nonsense on the net anyway......stupid stupid stupid.  *facepalm - Cripty - I hope your days are filled with wonder, joy and peace. Also, I pray (literally, I just did) that you have a smile on your face and a laugh on your lips every day for the rest of your life.  I can be an asshole and I know it.

[Criptfeind]

Well.

That last bit makes me feel bad.

No way to defuse a internet augment like making it non personal.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

LOL.  yeah.  I can be an asshole that way too!   

[Derekristow]

Just to cut in on something I have no business being in whatsoever, when I read this:

Question:  How do you pay for it?  Do you pay the doctor when u see him?  Or does the government pick up the tab?  I am curious.

I thought it was a comment saying that the government doesn't use your money when paying for things, rather than an actual question.

In that context, this:

/:l

Wut?

Do you think the government just has this well of money that it all comes from and your taxes are set on fire?

Makes a lot more sense.  It seems that a misunderstanding of sarcasm might have spiraled from there.  Not sure if that is actually what happened, but that's my two cents.