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[forsaken1111]

To clarify, (nearly) all Origin titles require Origin to be installed. That includes RA2&Yuri.

Yes, just like almost all steam titles require steam to be installed. But at least they've dropped their more draconian DRM models.

[n9103]

Actually, quite a few Steam games *don't* need steam, especially, but not limited to, non-AAA games.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

[Levi]

Actually, quite a few Steam games *don't* need steam, especially, but not limited to, non-AAA games.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

You'll still need steam to install it though.

[lastverb]

No, usually steam is only one of distribution platforms for those games. While most of newer origin titles are origin-only.

[Niveras]

Origin doesn't seem problematic. It's not like SecuROM or Starforce, as far as I can tell.

My biggest beef with Origin is limited installs. Which includes "reinstalling" a game after changing any one of CPU, video card, RAM, operating system, and possibly hard drive.

What? Origin lets you install games unlimited and doesn't check if your hardware has changed.

The limited install crap was EA's pre-Origin DRM. They dropped that quite some time ago.

Actually, I was confusing Origin and Uplay. (I'm also not 100% sure if Uplay also has limited installs or if that was a misunderstanding with something else.)

So never mind me.

[Teneb]

Origin doesn't seem problematic. It's not like SecuROM or Starforce, as far as I can tell.

My biggest beef with Origin is limited installs. Which includes "reinstalling" a game after changing any one of CPU, video card, RAM, operating system, and possibly hard drive.

What? Origin lets you install games unlimited and doesn't check if your hardware has changed.

The limited install crap was EA's pre-Origin DRM. They dropped that quite some time ago.

Actually, I was confusing Origin and Uplay. (I'm also not 100% sure if Uplay also has limited installs or if that was a misunderstanding with something else.)

So never mind me.

I don't think Uplay has limited install either. That said, it is a pretty bad... platform? Whatever stuff like Steam and Origin are.

[forsaken1111]

Actually, quite a few Steam games *don't* need steam, especially, but not limited to, non-AAA games.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

yes there are some games that don't but MOST do

[Graknorke]

Still, unlike Origin it's not Steam creating the games and enforcing the DRM on them. Devs/publishers choose to use it.

[n9103]

Actually, quite a few Steam games *don't* need steam, especially, but not limited to, non-AAA games.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

yes there are some games that don't but MOST do

Feel free to compile a list and show that it's larger.

[ChairmanPoo]

Actually, quite a few Steam games *don't* need steam, especially, but not limited to, non-AAA games.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

yes there are some games that don't but MOST do

Feel free to compile a list and show that it's larger.

I don't need to. There are 519 games in the no-DRM list you provided. As of 2014 there were more than 3700 games in Steam. Therefore most games in Steam are not DRM-free. QED


Edit: amended to include Dosbox games, Sega Emulator games, Flash games (), and "Games that have DRM but can be patched away" (which I think shouldn't even make the list, but I'm being generous)

[forsaken1111]

Actually, quite a few Steam games *don't* need steam, especially, but not limited to, non-AAA games.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

yes there are some games that don't but MOST do

Feel free to compile a list and show that it's larger.

I was going to post more or less what ChairmanPoo did, so there you go. The 'norm' for steam games is that you must have steam running, in online or offline mode, to play the game. There are some exceptions, yes, and they are great. I love KSP for not using steam's DRM for example because I can keep multiple copies with different mod builds easily.

[n9103]

And how many in your "list" are complete crap/shovelware that don't deserve to be on either list?

[Aklyon]

Also, how many in that list will open perfectly fine if you run them directly from their folder, despite being from steam?

[forsaken1111]

And how many in your "list" are complete crap/shovelware that don't deserve to be on either list?

I don't know. I'm also not terribly interested in knowing. I'm not sure why you think its so important to discuss whether a majority of games on steam can or cannot be played without steam running but its not a discussion that interests me and its not really in line with the thread topic so this is the last I'll post on the matter.

[ChairmanPoo]

why its important to discuss whether a majority of games on steam can or cannot be played without steam running

I think it's important. If you want DRM-free, and quite a few people do, Steam poses a problem, as whereas admittedly there's a sizeable group that *is*, most steam games are NOT DRM-free, and furthermore, there is no easy way to find out whether a game is or isn't (Unlike in, say, Humble Bundle, which at least tells you at a glance wheter a game has DRM or not, AND allows you to browse only DRM-free games. Or in GOG, where you already know that all games will be DRM-free, at least in regards to SP)