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Neonivek

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Re: Steam Sales
« Reply #5010 on: June 14, 2013, 05:27:51 am »

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You can pare pretty much any game down to a series of QTEs

True, but Witcher did take it one step further by actually having a QTE prompt.

So yeah you probably could turn Bowser in his castle into a QTE, but you probably won't have a button that tells you when to jump.
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« Reply #5011 on: June 14, 2013, 05:35:52 am »

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only gamer who doesn't mind quick-time events  :-\
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« Reply #5012 on: June 14, 2013, 06:07:50 am »

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only gamer who doesn't mind quick-time events  :-\

You aren't and in some games I love them (In most I hate them). I actually really like the way Heavy Rain did their quick time events, most of the time, and found that the way they made you do the button prompts actually sucked you into the scenes.

In Witcher where combat is entirely done in QTE though... It has elements of tediousness.
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« Reply #5013 on: June 14, 2013, 07:11:04 am »

I really like both Witcher games.  Never found the combat tedious and liked to do all the quests.  I would say combat in the second is better but that's mostly because it can kill you in a second if you make a big mistake.  I like my games to punch me in the gut when I trip up.
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« Reply #5014 on: June 14, 2013, 07:24:16 am »

I really like both Witcher games.  Never found the combat tedious and liked to do all the quests.  I would say combat in the second is better but that's mostly because it can kill you in a second if you make a big mistake.  I like my games to punch me in the gut when I trip up.

Wow, you really should try some old games.
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« Reply #5015 on: June 14, 2013, 08:44:45 am »

Like most things in games, quick time events can be good, even awesome, just that recently they seem to be thrown in at random and executed poorly which makes them suck.

Heck Dragon's Lair was and is hugely popular (as a cult game at least) and it is nothing but quicktime events.

I think the biggest flaw is the whole 'press x to not die' business of them, a better way to handle them would be to have success give you a bonus, or failure give you a more minor setback, not "whoops weren't quick enough on the draw, reload", nobody wants or likes that.

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« Reply #5016 on: June 14, 2013, 08:53:19 am »

Going a bit off topic here, it can be possible to do QTEs well.
If you make it a core part of your video game and basically detail the mechanics they can be passable. Most of the hatred of QTEs come from games that just do it poorly by not making them a core gameplay mechanic, putting them randomly throughout cutscenes to make bullshit fail states and making the prompts too small and/or visually noisy.
There is also the complaint that some QTEs scenes could easily be done by the player through the use of the controls and they feel robbed of the experience. They generally almost always feel better to do on a gamepad than a mouse and keyboard which is something to consider when porting.

Personally I found the Witcher 2's QTE were not needed and distracted from the experience. There was a few QTE scenes during long cutscenes where I had to fumble around trying to find the controller because I've place it down not expecting one resulting in a bullshit death and waiting. Some of them also look like they could have been pulled off by standard controls, especially in the boss battles.
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« Reply #5017 on: June 14, 2013, 09:00:24 am »

I really like both Witcher games.  Never found the combat tedious and liked to do all the quests.  I would say combat in the second is better but that's mostly because it can kill you in a second if you make a big mistake.  I like my games to punch me in the gut when I trip up.
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« Reply #5018 on: June 14, 2013, 09:06:39 am »

I liked the Witcher :\
My only problem was that it wasn't very hoarder friendly. Kept running out of inventory space carrying around all the slimy, smelly alchemy ingredients I found.
I did not like it. I'm a hoarder/completionist, and the Witcher 1 was both frustrating and... Not immersive, for some reason. But then again, I did not like Mass Effect either.
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« Reply #5019 on: June 14, 2013, 02:02:27 pm »

I did not like The Witcher. Played it for a little, but gave up when my character kept jumping over his enemies and performing all kinds of miraculous stunts instead of actually attacking them :/
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« Reply #5020 on: June 14, 2013, 04:13:59 pm »

I didn't play The Witcher, but played a bit of The Witcher 2 and wasn't that impressed really. Felt very 'on the rails' as RPGs go.
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« Reply #5021 on: June 14, 2013, 04:19:57 pm »

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Like most things in games, quick time events can be good, even awesome, just that recently they seem to be thrown in at random and executed poorly which makes them suck

I know it is just a HUGE make or break feature with the Witcher and what you should consider before buying it.

Especially for someone like me who hates QTE unless the game is built around them... which the Witcher isn't.
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« Reply #5022 on: June 14, 2013, 04:27:35 pm »

I'm not a fan of the Witcher as well, but I only played about half of the first one.  The combat just seemed ridiculously awkward, and the MMO-style quests weren't really my thing.
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« Reply #5023 on: June 14, 2013, 05:07:20 pm »

I'm not a fan of the Witcher as well, but I only played about half of the first one.  The combat just seemed ridiculously awkward, and the MMO-style quests weren't really my thing.
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« Reply #5024 on: June 14, 2013, 05:12:29 pm »

By contrast, I enjoy killing large monsters, taking their heads, fucking every available woman in order to collect her corresponding trading card and generally being a bit of a tool.

I don't know.  I generally hate fetch quests and monster-killing quests and all that.  But somehow The Witcher works for me.  It's just over-the-top enough, just grotesque enough, that I really enjoy myself.
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