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[nenjin]

Whatever my objections with Obama's management (and I certainly have a lot of them), not only do I still align with him more than almost any realistically conceivable opponent, but he's not the only guy running.  With him rides a good chunk of the Congress, and down-ticket races for state offices.

I single this out because, to me, I think this is exactly what Obama's thinking was, relative to his station, on torture.

I think Obama quickly learned that a) Republicans get another talking point that sticks in the minds of Americans when he "goes soft" on torture, and b) he needs the full support of the military and Pentagon, above and beyond their duty to obey the president. He needs cooperation, he needs dialog, he needs people not to write him off for 2012, within his own government. I think this is one of those tough choices that presidents talk about in their memoirs later on, where they had to compromise an ideal in the name of the future.

Either way, I've not been thrilled with the compromise on torture. He's satisfied a silent majority while his vocal constituents are left going "What the fuck mang?!"

[breadbocks]

There are a lot of countries that I think it would be cool to live in, but I'm not willing to give up on the red white and blue before we either get this country back on track or it's an irradiated wasteland inhospitable to life.  Until one of those, I'm a liberal 'murican diehard to the end.

We would love to help you out, however... Australia doesn't have any nukes, so making the barren wasteland would take a lot more effort then required. Try Russia, or North Korea.

endofworld.net, man, endofworld.net. It's your one stop shop for the endofworld.

[Taricus]

If it would help, We're already mostly wasteland down here.

[Max White]

Is there any way we can make your waste land feel more hostile towards reason, understanding, tolerance or biology? We want to do what ever we can to ensure you walk away feeling like you got the most that your waste land had to offer!

[Taricus]

Hey, I'm Talking about Australia here...

[Max White]

Oh I know. We recently imported some more venomous species, as it seems the population was getting an immunity to brown snake and platypus over time, so now we have a brand new selection of scorpions to choose from!

[Taricus]

You're forgetting the new toads we have...

[mainiac]

There are a lot of countries that I think it would be cool to live in, but I'm not willing to give up on the red white and blue before we either get this country back on track or it's an irradiated wasteland inhospitable to life.  Until one of those, I'm a liberal 'murican diehard to the end.

We would love to help you out, however... Australia doesn't have any nukes, so making the barren wasteland would take a lot more effort then required. Try Russia, or North Korea.

It's nice to know that international cooperation still exists.

[GlyphGryph]

Honestly, I don't think the consitution is at fault for the current two part system. It doesn't say anything about the way elections have to be held, and what little it does say is already ignored. Election decisions are almost already made solely on the state level - if they wanted, they could change quite a bit to make things much much friendlier for third parties - they simply have no desire to.

[Max White]

Yea, let's turn this two person race into an open marathon! There is no way that it will result in less votes for us!

[mainiac]

Honestly, I don't think the consitution is at fault for the current two part system. It doesn't say anything about the way elections have to be held, and what little it does say is already ignored. Election decisions are almost already made solely on the state level - if they wanted, they could change quite a bit to make things much much friendlier for third parties - they simply have no desire to.

Bush vs. Gore vs. Nadar

In a system that doesn't penalize third parties, Gore would have won the 2000 elections by a comfortable margin.  That's not even getting into the party run organizational and fundraising apparatuses that third parties don't have access to.

[Megaman]

He was a trouble maker. You all know what happens to trouble makers.

[Max White]

No really, we worked hard to convince all those people climate change was a lie, just to piss Al Gore off. Do you know how hard a conspiracy is to pull off? I mean we had fight science, and that thing is hard to take down! Still, old Gore is still taking shit for he's movie. 

[mainiac]

I got fired once for telling my boss that Al Gore did not rape a masseuse.

[Max White]

Yea, we spread that one around a bit. Nobody thought it had caught on through! Glad to see the marketing team is still up to the job.