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LordSlowpoke

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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 03:45:25 pm »

If there are treadmills, I want to see giant hamsters.

And why would an intelligent creature add more power ? The treadmills's power should be determined by the strength of the creature in it.

And then, DF players have completed a 200-page thread on how to breed dragons for maximum strength, so they can put them in a treadmill and flood the world with anything they want. Preferably dragon pus.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 03:50:22 pm »

If there are treadmills, I want to see giant hamsters.

And why would an intelligent creature add more power ? The treadmills's power should be determined by the strength of the creature in it.

And then, DF players have completed a 200-page thread on how to breed dragons for maximum strength, so they can put them in a treadmill and flood the world with anything they want. Preferably dragon pus.

Yes but... western dragons are proud. I modded my dragons to have, well

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A.K.A. why would a dragon would bother to do such a lowly task as running a treadmill to flood the world with something when it could be outside and flooding the world with dragonbreath ?

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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 03:53:41 pm »

If there are treadmills, I want to see giant hamsters.

And why would an intelligent creature add more power ? The treadmills's power should be determined by the strength of the creature in it.

And then, DF players have completed a 200-page thread on how to breed dragons for maximum strength, so they can put them in a treadmill and flood the world with anything they want. Preferably dragon pus.

Yes but... western dragons are proud. I modded my dragons to have, well

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A.K.A. why would a dragon would bother to do such a lowly task as running a treadmill to flood the world with something when it could be outside and flooding the world with dragonbreath ?

Because it's tame.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2011, 03:56:35 pm »

My own favorite part of the suggestion is enslaving captured Goblin prisoners and sentencing them to "the treadmill". That, plus the possibility of slave revolts.

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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2011, 05:22:26 pm »

Also, the threadmills could train any lashers you have or the power level of slave mills could depend on the lasher skill of the overseer.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2011, 05:48:53 pm »

Has anyone posted this suggestion before?

As someone else has pointed out.  Yes.

To be dwarf, prisoner or animal-powered.

Although, ISTR that my particular contribution, from this time before animals needing to eat, was that treadmill animals[1] should need feeding (same mechanism as Animal Training).  It would look a bit like a waterwheel-like structure, but involve some form of hopper for the food.  Food => power production.  No food, no power.

These days, Animal Care or similar would be used to maintain the health of the animal, for similar effect.  Slave-feeding would be optional, or perhaps a slave-treadmill could instead/also involve a weapon.  Something sharp which they'd be prodded from behind with[2].


[1] Or slaves, also being confined, whereas the Dwarf-powered one would have been essentially as voluntary as a dwarf-powered pump.

[2] That sentence is awful.  Re-written it several times.  Gone back to the shortest version.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 06:07:31 pm »

historically I think treadmills took the form of wheels

These wheels were quite dangerous to use (many people and animals died opperating them) and I THINK they were renaisance technology... but I am probably wrong.

So sure... But don't forget the chance of crippling/killing the dwarf.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2011, 06:31:19 pm »

historically I think treadmills took the form of wheels

These wheels were quite dangerous to use (many people and animals died opperating them) and I THINK they were renaisance technology... but I am probably wrong.

So sure... But don't forget the chance of crippling/killing the dwarf.
Statement 1: yes, tread wheels were wheels.
2: no, total no, one of the safest machines built up to that time.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2011, 06:46:59 pm »

Problem is that dwarves don't do slavery.

At least they are not supposed to.

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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2011, 07:25:27 pm »

historically I think treadmills took the form of wheels

Some (IRL) are like conveyor-belts, except with power-takeoff instead of power into them.  That's the kind often used for simple beast-power, with an easy low-profile construction.  They're set at a low angle so that the weight of the creature as it treads forwards is just about as much as is needed to move the belt (with slats across it, suitable for hooved animals to have grip from) back at a speed comfortable for the creature(s) powering it.

Ones often used for punishment/rectification at prisons and workhouses are like a long horizontal barrel, often termed "treadwheels", and those 'working' upon them, often multiple abreast (which acted to make the punishment equal amongst all those upon it, except of course for those of shorter legs or ability to stride/step) and often had bars to hold to the front or sides of each person.  (Whether the power went to something useful, or just went through a wall into some otherwise useless machinery of adjustable 'resistance' that would waste the energy suitably, would depend on the workhouse/prison ethic.  Possibly also whether the Industrial Revolution had happened yet, in whatever historical period the wheel was built.)

But the type I'm imagining the DF Treadmill to be is more like the Treadmill Crane.  From C12th, perhaps C13th, but certainly around for most of the largest cathedral buildings, it's a large waterwheel-sized device, but to be trod from the inside.  Getting in and out would mean it would have to be stationary (or some pretty neat dodging of the spokes, if it was being used slowly enough), but could be single or multi-man.  Or creature.  I think there was also some use of them in harbours, from my memories of Aarhus, or whichever other place in Denmark it was that had a reconstructed historic port when I was there nearly 30 years ago.


Hence why I think it ought to be like a Waterwheel.  But if Toady brings in conveyor-belts, I could imagine the first type as well.  The treadwheel version doesn't seem too practical, to me.  (Although there were treadwheel/mills in prisons and workhouses that looked like a steeper version of the farm-animal treadmill-belt.  Or like those new-fangled "climbing walls" which roll around and tilt and go at different speeds for a configurable (and competitive, if being used side-by-side with someone else, each trying to keep the correct pace) climbing experience.

As to slavery, I agree, but it's an option.  At least non-dwarves (goblins, especially) might be expected to use them, should they want power (or just feel like keeping their prisoners occupied).
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2011, 08:03:21 pm »

Problem is that dwarves don't do slavery.

At least they are not supposed to.

speak for yourself, there was a thread where the idea of enslaving lesser civs was brought up.
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2011, 08:34:15 pm »

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But the type I'm imagining the DF Treadmill to be is more like the Treadmill Crane.  From C12th, perhaps C13th, but certainly around for most of the largest cathedral buildings, [...]
Just following up to myself because being brought back to this thread by the next post, I realised how that read.  The Romans also had "inner-treadmill" devices (slave-powered), and probably other cultures from earlier.  I didn't mean to say that they were only from this period, but these are the ones more contemporaneous[1] of the DF-era.

[1] That's at least the second time I've used that word, today.  :)
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2011, 11:38:20 pm »

If there are treadmills, I want to see giant hamsters.

And why would an intelligent creature add more power ? The treadmills's power should be determined by the strength of the creature in it.

It should be determined by a combination of strength and size.

I think this needs to be expanded more into a new suggestion about slavery in general. But I was wondering, is it suggested often?
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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 12:11:25 pm »

Problem is that dwarves don't do slavery.

At least they are not supposed to.

speak for yourself, there was a thread where the idea of enslaving lesser civs was brought up.

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Re: New Power Source: Treadmills
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 12:43:22 pm »

links to proof?
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