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[Atomicdremora]

Okay, base stats:
STR  17
DEX  14
CON  15
INT   13
WIS  12
CHA  11

should I post a full character sheet? if so, in what form?

[Criptfeind]

Myth weavers is nice.

You can do the auto maker thing but it looks quite messy.

[Atomicdremora]

I used the character generator at pathguy.com, base content, and I rolled for my stats manually.

[Criptfeind]

Yeah, that's the messy one I was talking about.

Most likely a good idea to put that in a real sheet at myth weavers or the tangled web. Or others, I am sure you can take your pick from a ton of free DnD sheets on the web.

[Heron TSG]

Also I was semi serous about that, the quicker geezer dies the quicker we can get you playing another character that may be effective.

I used to be your DM, I know you can make one.

Oh, I know I can make an effective character. I've made 20th level fighters so optimized that they regularly slay hydras and wizards. Even now I've got a hilariously effective Water Orc Battle Sorcerer running over in the Western Marches game. I'm mainly doing this character for the challenge: can I optimize a terrible character to the point of survivability? I'll have fun either way, it's just a different kind of fun this way.

[Criptfeind]

Are these optimized wizards we are talking about?

[Atomicdremora]

If someone rolls a wizard, for all that's good and well, take prestidigitation! It allows so many things. Oh so many.

[Criptfeind]

It can do four things. All of them by definition useless.

[Atomicdremora]

Only if you don't roleplay.

[Criptfeind]

Four is still not so many, and it is still useless.

It can make for a fun five minutes of role play though, I give you that.

[Atomicdremora]

Well aren't games supposed to be fun? And roleplaying games should contain roleplaying should they not? So mathematically useless, but not everyone plays their character as a min maxed mathematically perfect juggernaut. I prefer making fun characters, rather than staking out the next 20 levels on paper.

EDIT: just realized how ragey that was. Apology.... My last D&D group were all mathmunchkins.

[Criptfeind]

Well yes, I as well like to role play, but also power game. Annnnnnddd....
well you seem to have me here. I guess I just don't normally go for the impress the dirt farming yokels so much as the rip out their spines and make the body dance.

[Atomicdremora]

Why not do both? Impress them, wait for them to trust us, THEN gratuitous violence, possibly with a disrespectful marionette show performed using the corpses....

[Criptfeind]

Because I almost always play as lawful characters?

[Atomicdremora]

Seeings as I rolled me a monk, I'm lawful by default anyway. Still, I enjoy La/Ne characters. they're interesting, without being all white knight-ey.