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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #345 on: March 30, 2011, 07:07:19 am »

The one in Ohio is almost hilariously blatant, but I'll need to get more articles first.

Don't bother. I've been considering posting on the Kasich situation anyway, so I have most of the information already. I just need to get my ducks in a row first.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #346 on: March 30, 2011, 07:38:19 am »

I think such things continue to happen because we see it happen over and over with no consequences to those at the highest levels. You see it enough, it just breaks your will to the point that you can't even get that angry anymore. It's "rage fatigue".

Good example: I work for HP. We had a CEO, one Mark Hurd:

While CEO of HP, he laid off 10% of the workforce, bought EDS and slashed EDS salaries by 20% or so, and implented wage freezes across the board. Of course, while he cut his own salary 5%, in line with all HP employees, the Board of Directors voted to increase his bonus by the same amount. In 2008, when most of this was going down, Hurd had a $23 MILLION bonus, the largest of any CEO worldwide. This was about 18 times larger than his actual salary.

He then:
1. Hired an ex-softcore porn actress as a "marketing consultant" (to be fair, she did have a business degree).
2. Got some "personal consulting" on the side, if you catch my drift. (It should be noted that Hurd is married.)
3. Used his personal expense account to pay her hush money, until she finally filed a sexual harrassment suit.
4. Resigned, and collected a $34 MILLION severance package. Let me re-iterate this: the man lied, cheated, and embezzled corporate funds, and in return he was PAID more money than I'll ever earn in my lifetime.
5. Was promptly hired by Oracle, with a signing package worth around $200 MILLION in stock options and bonuses.  :o


So, when you see something like that...I mean, what the hell do you do? You spend your whole childhood being taught that hard work pays off, and stealing is wrong, and bad guys will be punished, and then this. Suffice it to say, I've been looking for a new job ever since, and will be quite happy if HP crumbles into the dust after I leave. I also daily hope to hear that Hurd was disemboweled by a pack of wild dogs, his belongings were swallowed up by the earth, and that his offspring are cursed for the next ten generations. Verily, my seething is of Biblical proportions.  >:(

It's shit like this that causes Bolshevik revolutions.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #347 on: March 30, 2011, 08:16:29 am »

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..Is it considered acceptable to go "lol america" yet? :P

Also, Aqizzar-without-an-u, I really enjoy these little reports, and not just in the "lol america" sense. A shame you decided against the one about abortion, though. Besides from that, I don't really have much non-raeging to add or say, just showing my appreciation.

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It's a conflict I've been wrestling with since I decided what to go to college for.  No matter how depressing, I'd rather know than not know, no matter that it's totally irrelevant to my life and I can't do anything about it.
Just read your post in the sad thread, and this reflects how I feel as well. Please don't stop the reporting.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #348 on: March 30, 2011, 10:11:12 am »

Reading this thread, and many pages of similar subject material, I keep getting this feeling like such things (corruption, backstabbing, personal agendas, ect...) should be things of the past; non-existent in the civilized world. Is this the same feeling that causes the problem? That such things "can't happen" regardless of how often they do?
 I can easily dispel this feeling in myself, especially with these threads and news sites, but how would one go about breaking the feeling in another person? A group of people? A community of people? The connected world?[/rhetorical questions]
 Are there any ~"collected news repositories" that put together the news from all available online sources like so many bloggers and forumites struggle to do? I know there are people like R. Munroe who would have this idea, but I haven't heard or seen of it.
I can only look on and shake my head to that line of... feeling.  I don't believe I've ever had that feeling... and if I did, it was lost long ago and quickly.  I've got a pessimist view point.
Civilized just means you backstab, be corrupt and push your own agenda in more sophisticated ways.  Instead of... you know, just simply doing it with a club to the head.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #349 on: March 30, 2011, 11:04:18 am »

Civilization means that you backstab people figuratively rather than literally, which I suppose is a plus.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #350 on: March 30, 2011, 12:29:41 pm »

I wouldn't use the word coalition in US politics either.  That's why I used it to describe UK politics, in which the liberal democrats are in a coalition with the conservatives.  This relationship has been very kind to the tories but the liberal democrats don't seem to be getting much out of it.
They've reined in some of the worst things the conservatives wanted to do, and they've secured a referendum on Alternative Voting (which would be very good for small parties if the massive attack campaigns led by the 2 major parties don't put the electorate off it).

I guess the system somewhat breaks down when you're controlling your own "incentives" like that.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #351 on: March 30, 2011, 12:55:49 pm »

knowing full well

Really? Who says?
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #352 on: March 30, 2011, 06:10:58 pm »

the man lied, cheated, and embezzled corporate funds, and in return he was PAID more money than I'll ever earn in my lifetime.

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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #353 on: March 30, 2011, 06:29:03 pm »

Heh, just noticed this thread. My girlfriend and I will be moving (back, for me) to Michigan in the near future and, after reading about the amazingly corrupt piece of legislation that just got passed with barely a whimper from the media there, I notified her that she'd better be ready to accept our new overlords once we're in-state.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20042299-503544.html
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #354 on: March 30, 2011, 07:24:02 pm »

Heh, just noticed this thread. My girlfriend and I will be moving (back, for me) to Michigan in the near future and, after reading about the amazingly corrupt piece of legislation that just got passed with barely a whimper from the media there, I notified her that she'd better be ready to accept our new overlords once we're in-state.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20042299-503544.html

What? People reported it? Hell, I live in Michigan, get a left-of-center newspaper, and was recently in Ann Arbor (Where, might it be known, I saw a "Hands off Socialist Korea" sign during the crisis and which has harsher penalties for noise violations than for marijuana, but I digress) and no signs that it had been reported.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #355 on: March 30, 2011, 07:53:10 pm »

I love Canada, our politicians are too boring to fuck us like this. I feel bad for you guys. Are you ready for modern feudalism?
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #356 on: April 06, 2011, 05:20:36 pm »

I know somebody said they had some text prepared for a situation in Ohio, but here we go anyway.

Every state in the union has some form of tax on the end-purchase of alcohol.  The effective rates are all over the scale, but Ohio is not a particularly punishing state in terms of booze taxes; Ohio is also one of several states where the state government effectively controls the distribution of alcohol as an internal enterprise.  I don't know how that works, but that system in itself is not the point.  (And if you want some stats, here's a table.)

Ohio's government takes in a total revenue of somewhere between $50 to $70 billion each year, naturally down lately with the economy in trouble.  It's also one of many states where the governor and majority party have been using "our state is broke" as the justification for all kinds of cuts and changes in their upcoming budget (such as the third-time's-the-charm ban of gay marriage, somehow).  The state alcohol tax isn't a huge chunk of the budget by any means, but it is there - 2010 saw a total revenue of around $230million, of which about $55m went to fund the state distribution system itself (or something like that) while about $165m went into the state's general coffers.  Nobody wants to raise or lower the tax, per se, and 0.4% of state funding isn't a big deal.  Small enough a deal in fact that the state has been getting unsolicited advice to sell the distribution system and its funding into the private market, getting a couple decades worth of returns up front in exchange for never having it again.

But Ohio Governor John Kasich found a much more creative way to blow this money.  The big buzzword in state politics is "Public-Private Partnerships", essentially-private enterprises established and run by the government.  Such "partnerships" are as old as the country, and visible everywhere.  The Postal Service is a public-private enterprise, as is the "water company" virtually everywhere and electricity providers in most states.  Governor Kasich wants to make a new one, a public-private partnership dedicated to investing in Ohio businesses.  Ohio, like basically ever state, already has a state-run agency that does exactly that job, the Ohio Department of Development, which channels public funding into private investment, hopefully making a return, but ultimately meant to boost business development in the state.  There's a lot of things that can be said about the practice and real effect, but that's not the point.

The point is, Governor Kasich doesn't think it works well enough, and his congressional Republican supermajority sees him eye to eye.  That's why Ohio voted to create "JobsOhio", a private investment firm run on behalf of the state.  And I love the idea that they apparently named the organization after its own url address.  This plan ran into problems almost immediately when it became nakedly clear that the organization would exist in a legal black-hole devoid of accountability or transparency.  After adding some lip-service to legal reporting, it passed anyway.  The opening line of the original is probably the most interesting - "Requires the Governor to be the only member of and to form a nonprofit corporation, to be named 'JobsOhio.' "  That was changed somewhere along the way - originally the Governor basically ran the fund himself; the "transparency" added made the head of the firm chosen and answerable to a nine-person panel, headed by the Governor and wholly staffed at his appointment.  Because, y'know, giving the Governor (wait for it) unilateral authority over the appointing mechanism is so much more palatable than just letting him run the thing himself.  And you're probably wondering what exactly this has to do with Ohio's liquor taxes - for whatever inscrutable reason, the Ohio legislature decided to fund JobsOhio entirely through the liquor-tax, not including what's already used to run the distribution system.  Oh, and there's no mention of the Department of Development which already did all this being dissolved in any way.


tl;dr - Allow me recap.  Ohio, in the midst of an economic crunch and state deficit which the governor constantly reminds everyone of, created a redundant agency to invest in Ohio businesses, paid for with perfectly good tax money, run by and at the governor's behest; armed with government money, private sector sensibility, and none of the legal accountability of either.  You couldn't do a much better job of creating a corrupt money-hole if you flat out asked for it.  And Kasich's next plan: work the same magic with Ohio's prisons.

Admittedly, blowing a couple hundred million dollars out of the state budget for the governor's business friends isn't exactly a new development in state governance, and is pretty small potatoes altogether.  I was just amazed by the borderline-laziness of the whole thing, and how of all possible revenue streams, "JobsOhio" will be funded on the back of drinking, the one and only government tax that returns more money when the economy sucks.

Anyway, I've got some updates on the shenanigans in Michigan.  There's no new legal developments, just some interesting light shed on the subject, and some very ominous smoke.
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #357 on: April 07, 2011, 02:29:20 am »

Very interesting. Thanks for doing this, Aqizzar.

Mostly unrelated, but this-
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Re: The Dissolution of State Government
« Reply #358 on: April 07, 2011, 03:09:15 am »

It's usually 'x sees eye-to-eye with y', but yeah. It means they agree.
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« Reply #359 on: April 07, 2011, 03:59:30 am »

You know whenever I get angry at our MP's for fiddling their expenses to buy a duck island or hiring their over privileged brats to work as their assistants and when I hear about the city bankers getting massive bonuses, I just have to look across the pond and I feel allot better. (btw I live in England)

Why haven't you lot formed lynch mobs yet!?

That being said the government here seems to be getting closer to declaring war on our local councils
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