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[nunix]

(this isn't in the modding section because it's a general discussion topic, not a nuts-and-bolts editing question)

Problem: Elves.

I hates them.

Specifically, I'm tired of seeing Tolkien (and, by more modern extension, D&D) elves in every fantasy setting. They're boring played-out sissies. Nuts to elves!

(but nu! what about these stereotypical dwarfs?! It's a dorf game, and dorfs don't get no love, so it's okay for them, and also these are wayyyy more psychotic).

Dilemma: I feel bad about doing a major civ mod like this.

The raws are provided, sure, but it's Tarn's game, and I look at DF as this mutating, in-progress art project more than a game in the conventional sense. I hate to mess with the creator's vision like that.

...but I hate elves.

Complication: the game requires a [FOREST] civ to generate an acceptable world. You can't simply remove it from the entity_ raw and go on with things.

So what seems like an acceptable replacement?

I've pondered a forest civ of humans (seperate from the plains-dwellers); treants or other tree-people; some kind of animal-folk (but that doesn't sit very well with me).. I haven't managed to come up with anything that feels like it quite "fits" with the DF world as is.

Lookin' for suggestions.

[penguinofhonor]

Velociraptors.

[Helmaroc]

Oompa-Loompas.

[MrGimp]

Ewoks.

All the way.

[coolguy1351]

Above posts are win.

Maybe some sort of actual tree-like things? with branches and bark and stuff? that would rock. Wait, those are Ents. Hmm...
BRB making Ent fortress.

[Greiger]

Intelligent giant preying(praying?)mantis.

[Trax]

Sasquatches. Imagine them like Wookies.

[ February 12, 2008: Message edited by: Trax ]

[Hellzon]

Centaurs? Use bows in both Crawl and NetHack and could plausibly live in forests. But you didn't like animal-people... (And they're already included in some form, IIRC.)

Satyrs?

Hobbits? But that's Tolkien again...

[MrGimp]

What about the Tengu?  They live in the forests and mountains of Japan (according to legend) and are master ninjas.  All of the greatest ancient Japanese warriors were said to have learned their craft from Tengus.  They are demon birdmen.  Heres a quote from Wiki -

"Although they take their name from a dog-like Chinese demon, the tengu were originally thought to take the forms of birds of prey, and they are traditionally depicted with both human and avian characteristics. Buddhism long held that the tengu were disruptive demons and harbingers of war. Their image gradually softened, however, into one of protective, if still dangerous, spirits of the mountains and forests."

[subject name here]

Replace the elves with kobolds, can't have enough kobolds.

[MrGimp]

thats actually a good idea.

[Cajoes]

Kobold Commandoe

[umiman]

Computer engineers

[Forumsdwarf]

quote:Problem: Elves.
I hates them.

When life hands you lemons don't you make lemonade?

[Kagus]

There's actually a Treant creature already in the raws, just switch'em out for that.

You could always turn them into, say, slugs.  Nothing like a slug caravan to brighten your day, although those bowslug ambushses can be a pain.

If you're into modding, you could see if you can get them to build [RUIN] or [CAVE_DETAILED] forts in the wilderness, and then turn them into a race that mimics the undead, so you'll have overgrown mausoleums filled with skeletons.

Or, alternatively, hippie commune.  Make a new plant to go along with the new race and make sure to add in the appropriate personality tags.