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Oliolli

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!!VALUE SCIENCE!!
« on: March 04, 2011, 06:45:01 am »

First off, I want to say I'm not sure if this has already been looked into, but I'd like to ask anyway...

Secondly, this may turn out to be very !!SCIENTIFIC!! for anyone willing to participate.

My question is: When making rooms, such as bedrooms, dining rooms, offices, tombs etc. the walls add to the value of the room. I would like to know how much exactly SMR walls add to the value of the room. If anyone knows, please, let me know. If anyone has any bright ideas for how to test this easily (Prob. easiest to simply make a room and test, but since I dont know of the values of different walls/floors, I will have a hard tim at it) feel free to tell, or test it yourself.

If anyone knows how DF counts the walls/floors values, as well as smoothings/engravings in them, please tell them as well.

Thank you in advance
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Re: !!VALUE SCIENCE!!
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 08:39:58 am »

It's not !!science!! unless there's fire...

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 09:00:25 am »

Im sure you can squeeze some fire in there somewhere :P
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Re: !!VALUE SCIENCE!!
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 09:34:16 am »

It's semi-molten rock. Does that mean it's only !science! ?
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 09:43:39 am »

It shouldn't be very hard to figure out.  First calculate how much the 'normal' parts of the room add to the value, and then whatever's left is what comes from the SMR.

Take a look at the value-pages of the wiki for a good head start on how to engraving values are probably calculated)( http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Value ), as well as look into the raws for the values of the stone.  Stone-types that lack a value tag, if any, are likely all given a default value of 1.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 10:52:31 am »

Having never dug clear to it, I am apparently misunderstanding how Semi-molten-rock works. Doesn't it generate magma, much like an aquifer does (along with the obvious "destroying whatever it touches")?
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 11:08:03 am »

Nope... i've got a ramp with four sides of molten rock, it's a-ok

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Re: !!VALUE SCIENCE!!
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 11:11:47 am »

Semi-molten rock doesn't cause fires and doesn't even have a dangerous temperature.  It cannot be mined and basically serves as an indicator of the magma sea and HFS.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 04:44:04 pm »

Semi-molten rock is untouchable.  You can't dig through it.  It doesn't necessarily have magma near it.  If you find SMR, it generally means "whoops, you dug down through a place with no magma -- back up 10-30 levels, then move over some, and try again."

Warm stone, on the other hand, means there is magma in at least one of the adjoining tiles (up, down, north, south, east or west -- I don't think diagonals get warm).  And you can dig through warm stone.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011, 08:33:02 pm »

The most detailed !!SCIENCE!! on room value I know of is in the talk page of the wiki article on rooms in 40d, here.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2011, 03:17:37 am »

I see... Well, thank you everyone, I'll see about checking that value of SMR.
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