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[Jack A T]

Also, one more question:

Pandarsenic: Can the Mafia Mafiakill its own members?

[Pandarsenic]

Jedi Insight: Yes, but they cannot self-target and a Cultmafia mafioso can't Mafiakill.

[Jack A T]

Excellent.

Unvote.

Everyone, town, mafia, and cult alike, I wish to call for a mass victory.  Essentially, no lynching, and the mafia shall only NK zombies.  Everyone but Mr. Person and I are zombies, so no NKing us.  Mafia NKs a zombie each night.  After everyone has been turned into a chrysalid except the last normal mafioso, we lynch that mafioso.  Boom, massive cult/zombie victory.

[Jokerman-EXE]

Fine by me.

[Pandarsenic]

Jedi Insight: Yes, but they cannot self-target and a Cultmafia mafioso can't Mafiakill.

In case it wasn't clear, a mafioso who has been made a zombie can NK (but can't NK himself), until he's NK'd, at which point he's no longer able to NK. Also, zombies must be alive to win with the Cult.

[webadict]

This game is basically you just making things up, isn't it, Pandarsenic?

I believe if we are all Zombies, we win with the cult, as he EXPLICITLY said Zombies and not Chrysallids. So, therefore, there is someone who can kill who is not a Zombie.

Unless he has messed things up again.

I really don't doubt it. This game is already screwed up.

[Jack A T]

The cult wincon is to have the majority and to not have any opposing killing roles alive, so chrysalids gain that wincon, so they win with the cult.  Because they are the cult.

So.

Would the mafia, if they wish for a mass victory, please claim?  We should have an inactive mafioso be the NKer and the person who dies.

[Pandarsenic]

Mafia zombies can still kill. While they can still win with the cult, they technically can't because they ARE a killing role. A mafioso who isn't even able to mafiakill... would be difficult to bring about, to not give anything unnecessary away. That's just a natural interaction of their being Mafia (the kill not being their own ability, per se, but rather being that of their alignment itself) and being a zombie (being able to win if the Cult fulfills its win condition, despite that barring [REDACTED] it is not actually possible for that to happen while a Mafia zombie is in play).

And no, players of the same alignment CANNOT submit actions for each other.

[Mr.Person]

Mafia zombies can still kill. While they can still win with the cult, they technically can't because they ARE a killing role. A mafioso who isn't even able to mafiakill... would be difficult to bring about, to not give anything unnecessary away. That's just a natural interaction of their being Mafia (the kill not being their own ability, per se, but rather being that of their alignment itself) and being a zombie (being able to win if the Cult fulfills its win condition, despite that barring [REDACTED] it is not actually possible for that to happen while a Mafia zombie is in play).

And no, players of the same alignment CANNOT submit actions for each other.

What is this I don't even

[NativeForeigner]

I'm terribly confused right now.

[Pandarsenic]

Mafia zombies can still kill. While they can still win with the cult, they technically can't because they ARE a killing role. A mafioso who isn't even able to mafiakill... would be difficult to bring about, to not give anything unnecessary away. That's just a natural interaction of their being Mafia (the kill not being their own ability, per se, but rather being that of their alignment itself) and being a zombie (being able to win if the Cult fulfills its win condition, despite that barring [REDACTED] it is not actually possible for that to happen while a Mafia zombie is in play).

And no, players of the same alignment CANNOT submit actions for each other.

What is this I don't even

In short, people thought it was going to be easy to break the game.

Not so much.

[Jack A T]

Okay, so a mafioso has to volunteer to lose in order for my plan to work.

WHO WANTS TO LOSE!?!

[Mr.Person]

Let's do it this way. Let's have all the mafia members claim, then randomly pick one to lose. If the mafia all decide to backstab one of their "teamates", then all the better for the rest of us.

[webadict]

Sounds reasonable.

[webadict]

Screw this game. Full of lurkers.

I'm not scum, MrPerson isn't scum, and Jack A T isn't scum. That means I can guess with about 99% certainty that Jokerman-EXE is scum.