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[Dr Feelgood]

I finally got a lich past dreadfell in nightmare roguelike.

http://te4.org/characters/30061/tome/819ee79d-277a-42fb-9f28-50a4e3e4a4d7

The new animus tree is nice. Consume Soul helps with necro's mana issue. Rare husks are great. Early on, they last a few dungeons. Sadly, no healing ever means they die pretty fast later on. Best husks: summoners, solipsists and oozemancers. When they die you get exp. I'm not sure if that's a bug.

Oh, and an orange cat just invaded my flying fortress. Mummra is not pleased.

[Robsoie]

The Animus "Consume Soul" skill can be used for healingl too, as it both increase health and mana.

But it's sad that considering the big investment (lots of skills points) a Lich necromancer will still have a much harder time than a Ghoul necromancer (Retch is a nice big regen for healing both yourself and your troops while hurting living enemies) or a Skeleton necromancer (Re-assemble is a great healing skill).

[Dr Feelgood]

My level 41 necro died. Got back from the east and touched a tombstone in the old forest. The level 124 spawns in the timed graveyard event stun-locked and pummeled him to death. I forgot you needed both stun and confusion immunity for that place. That was embarrassing.

[Robsoie]

For those interested, i noticed the dev posted a teaser of the zones that will make it in the incoming campaign "dlc"
http://te4.org/blogs/darkgod/2014/02/orcs/orcs-campaign-teaser-planned-zones

[Graven]

Still really sceptical about steampunk stuff in my Tomes. Or steampunk in general. I love the aesthetic, but all the rest... Still, as long as the new campaign isn't as dull and boring as the East in the normal campaign I'm so god damn sold.

Also wasn't

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Amakthel

an unused boss fight at the end of the original Tome4 campaign? There are files and stuff in-game IIRC. Or am I going crazy?

[Dr Feelgood]

Also wasn't

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Amakthel

an unused boss fight at the end of the original Tome4 campaign? There are files and stuff in-game IIRC. Or am I going crazy?

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You're thinking of Gerlyk. Amakthel created the Sher'tul. I thought he was buried in the Deep Bellow?

[Robsoie]

There are several elements that the dev was working on in the ToME4 file but weren't finished or satisfying to him enough , like your fortress flying that is not there (there's even a lore entry for it that you can't then get as the event does not exist yet) or some classes (runic golem) .

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Considering Amakthel is the guy that from the lore basically created the sun within his hands and built up the MajEyal world, it feels a bit ridiculous to think that the player character can beat him.
But after all it sounded a bit ridiculous that a team of Sher'thul managed to do that even with the cheatingoverpowered weapons they were wielding ... beating a guy that can wield the sun in a single of his hands and that every of the other godlings were running away from in terror from his power.

[Frumple]

... considering the very presence of such critters apparently causes stuff like Deep Bellow's Maw (and, perhaps, the Infinite Dungeon), I don't think it would actually matter if it went on a rampage of destruction or not. World would still be buggered.

[beorn080]

... considering the very presence of such critters apparently causes stuff like Deep Bellow's Maw (and, perhaps, the Infinite Dungeon), I don't think it would actually matter if it went on a rampage of destruction or not. World would still be buggered.

IIRC, the Infinite dungeon is a result of one of ye olden gods being chased by a sher'tul, and it basically just keeps making dungeon levels in an attempt to get away from him. I mean, in theory it would not be infinite, but it would constantly be getting deeper, and as they have a several thousand plus year head start, you are unlikely to ever catch up.

[Frumple]

Yeeaaah, and a-whatever is one of the ye olden gods. The biggest, really. Real issue is the stuff that spawns in the ID, and if whatever the critter's doing to make those levels to let things (like the player) essentially break the hard limits of mortal capability (i.e. level 50, 5/5 talents)... imagine that let loose on the surface, by something notably more powerful. Poor everything, even if said something isn't actively screwing with people.

Though yah, there's a limit to the infinite dungeon. S'defined in the zone file somewhere... iirc, it's somewhere in the five digits. 10k levels or summat like that. No, wait, sorry.

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max_level = 1000000000,
So ten digits. One billion dollars levels.

E: Iirc, someone cheated themselves up to the nines and/or debug mode'd themselves into the depths. Game started crashing on level generation somewhere in the hundreds, if my memory of their report isn't failing.

[Robsoie]

warning : Wall of text and speculation

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Why would he want a rampage ? Why would imprisonment time would make Amakthel mad ? he's supposed to be a being beyond those concept of space and time.
The creatures he created are just there to help him gather his power back, they're not going out of their way to attack the population, they're found in place of high power, trying to gather it for their master to help his awakening.

Additionally, there's something to take in account : Amakthel was unchallenged, there was none fighting him, simply due to his power being beyond all his kind as the Sher'thul mentionned.
So Amakthel wasn't waging any wars due to the lack of enemy and was then spending his time in creating things like he did for the Maj'eyal world and sun.

Additionally, from the excavations of the dwarves related in the Mouth lore, we learned that Amakthel place of power was actually on Majeyal, as the excavation even ran into his golden throne .

So basically his presence was a guarantee of peace, due to the previously mentionned lack of fighting and warring surrounding Amakthel, his rule was simply absolute and none of his kind could depose him as none had the kind of power required to face him.

And i think here's the trick and the actual real nasty one : Arawe

But the Sher'Tul were unhappy with their position in the world. Being made with the same passions of Amakthel they had no desire to be simple pawns in the wars of gods. And so they resolved that they would destroy the gods, and become masters of the world themselves. In this they recruited the help of the other races, whom they pitied, and also enlisted the aid of Arawe, Lady of the Waters. Arawe, unlike the other gods, took no part in all the battles and wars and made no creations of her own beyond fish and other sea animals. She agreed that she would aid the Sher'Tul in stopping the other gods, and that she herself would retreat to the farthest depths of the seas, never to interfere in the affairs of mortals. Aye, and it is said that the oceans have since doubled in size, with the tears of Arawe's regret.

Arawe basically gave to the Sher'thul those weapons so they could go and kill her kind. That in itself is odd, as Arawe being a godling she couldn't ignore the inner nature of those Sher'thul, she knew they were inside of them basic power hungry warmongers.

So she went out of her ways and decided to help them in destroying her kind by forging godly weapons, and promised the sher'thul that she would never take part of anything on the world and would go in the depth of the oceans forever
"it is said that the oceans have since doubled in size, with the tears of Arawe's regret"
Yeah, i'll believe that ... except that it is clear Arawe was a traitor to her kind, and the Sher'thul were supposed to trust someone that can betray her kin that easily ?

No, in my opinion Arawe knew perfectly the nature of the Sher'thul , and she pushed all the right buttons to launch them into a war against her kind, and forged weapons capable of doing the impossible.

Once they even managed to depose Amakthel, Arawe knew that it was only a matter of time that the Sher'thul would then , out of enemies (she even convenientely went hiding away), turn against each other.
And that's exactly what they did, so what is her status now :
- Amakthel is not the absolute ruler anymore, the place is actually free
- Her kind is no more, so she will have no power that will be able to put her in danger once she rules over everything
- the Sher'thul are dead as she planned, by their own hands

All those thousands of years waiting hidden in the depths of the oceans , away from every eyes and concern are getting to an end.
But why didn't she do her move :

-Gerlyk is still around, even if he moved beyond the Void, there's still the possibility some couple of sorcerer may open the portal, and from the lore he's not a bad guy, Arawe is then waiting for some idiots to come kill the sorcerers and close the portal to the void forever.
-Ralkur is still around, though while this one is a nasty, he's not going to come back as he's fleeing into the infinite dungeon so that's one that isn't a danger for her and neither is the Sher'thul following him.
-Amakthel, the Sher'thul despite all the godly weapons and the dismembrement were still unable to destroy him completely, he's even trying to awaken by sending odd creatures gather power. So for now Arawe waits for an idiot to go kill one of the last Sher'thul that is trying to help Amakthel coming back
-There's a Sher'thul still alive in a fortress , somewhere, and he has one of the godly weapon, Arawe certainly wait that someone get to him and kill that one , unless that will be the one that will try to help Amakthel

So while the attention is elsewhere, she waits

[Frumple]

Mm... that's assuming she's still alive. I'd half wager there's good odds she's either dead (By the sher'tul getting to her in the end -- last I paid attention the only two living gods were A-bruddah and ID-dood, which would preclude sista'-A among the living.) or corrupted somehow (by the Spellblaze, or something related to it.). It's noted in game that the seas are very different post-spellblaze from what they used to be, that being the reason contact was lost with other continents. If the seas are actually a representation of that lady's status (as implied by the seas being said to have grown larger), then something happened.

'Course, that "seas doubled" bit could also be superstitious explanation for rising sea levels, with those actually having some other cause (Caps melting due to sher'tul's war on the gods, the spellblaze, the naga buggering about with something, who knows what else).

Also kinda' makes me wonder what a possible explanation for the violent seas and ocean winds could be... axial tilt? Tidal forces changing to some degree (Okay, who screwed with the moon(s?))? Atmospheric changes? On one hand, magic exists in Maj'Eyal, and things are obviously physics-breaking. On the other, physics do still seems to work to some degree (steampunk!), so it's possible normal environmental stuff is happening (or at least trying to, before magic buggers it up), and there's multiple events in T4's history that could cause world-wide environmental changes.

Be interesting to see where DG and co' goes with it, in any case.

[Dr Feelgood]

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-There's a Sher'thul still alive in a fortress , somewhere, and he has one of the godly weapon, Arawe certainly wait that someone get to him and kill that one , unless that will be the one that will try to help Amakthel

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Actually, that Sher'tul is the one who dealt the finishing blow on Amakthel. His reaction to you differs slightly, if you have his staff.

Mm... that's assuming she's still alive. I'd half wager there's good odds she's either dead (By the sher'tul getting to her in the end -- last I paid attention the only two living gods were A-bruddah and ID-dood, which would preclude sista'-A among the living.) or corrupted somehow (by the Spellblaze, or something related to it.).

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Gerlyk is alive, but trapped in the void. Gerlyk created humans. He's the guy the final bosses were trying to bring back. There's a mission where you jump into the portal and fight him. Last time I checked it looked halfway done. Amakthel was dismembered and buried in the Deep Bellow, so he's dead(ish).

[Robsoie]

spoilers Frumple, spoilers

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Gerlyk is alive, but trapped in the void. Gerlyk created humans. He's the guy the final bosses were trying to bring back. There's a mission where you jump into the portal and fight him. Last time I checked it looked halfway done. Amakthel was dismembered and buried in the Deep Bellow, so he's dead(ish).

That is not dead which can eternal lie

[Graven]

Ehhhh... honestly I'd probably ignore spoilers for a roguelike's story of all things, too.

Just noticed I have a level 23 Corruptor out there, going to play it a bit. Went for diseases/catalepsy first, for insane burst [and by insane I mean JESUS]. Sadly it seems bugged in that it doesn't restore the Vim if the target dies... and the target will die. So that forces me to only use it as a boss kill/emergency AoE, instead of nuking every single thing in the game while cackling.

I'm sort of hazy on the sustains. Got a point in the one that increases your crit chance, and the one that increases your crit multiplier. I suppose I'll max the crit chance one, then max Blood Grasp for the damage. I've ignored Soul Rot - people seemed to be doing fine without it on the SA forums, and I keep hearing praise about diseases/Catalepsy.

Pretty fun so far, not sure what prodigies I should be going for. Vim is still the worst resource, though! God I hate Vim.

I wonder if a Stamina/Vim melee class would work. A brawler, but instead of focusing on multiple fast hits, it focuses on singular headbursting hits. Spending stamina restores Vim, spending Vim restores life. Call it... "POSSESSED". The lore could be : a demon possessed you to accomplish some evil demonic goal, but discovered you were so horrible a person even prior to that, it decided to just grant you some powers and ride along for the free amusement. Demons are lazy bastards, after all. Man, the creativity, the originality. How am I not a world-famous writer.