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[Frumple]

And those new random spawned elites, oh those elites ...
Sometime you may face a really strong one that is able to destroy you quicker than a dungeon boss, so be carefull

Ha... yeah, some of the bosses are somewhat of a victim to power creep. Sorta', anyway. They still manage to kill plenty of scrubs

But yeah, farportal bosses are (potentially) deadlier than anything the main campaign throws at you, and a classed unique with the right wrong class can easily murder someone like, say, Prox. Or rantha. The weaker spider boss. Stuff like that.

[rhesusmacabre]

Yeah, one of my recent characters easily killed Norgos, but then I was casually (I thought) clearing out the rest of the level and got crushed by an elite snake. At least the multiplying elites no longer spawn elite versions of themselves. A couple of times I got attacked by a multiplying summoner: no chance.

I'm not sure I like the new 2-tile wide Maze. It's a lot quicker than before, but it seems to have lost some character.

[tompliss]

The noob is here again :

After my Bulwark died, I tried the arcane mage ... it was squishy for a dwarf !
I don't think I even finished the first quest, but tried a human alchemist after that.
It was fun, but not what I wanted from a mage typed class (died near lvl 10, because of those white orbs (or something) dealing massive damage...

So I decided to play an (elf) ARCANE blade, forgetting about the blade part.
I am doing great, with this one. I am now level 12 (first time I got that far).
I handled the first Elven quests (not the tower near the first town), the cursed one in the woodsmen town, the two dungeons near Norgos, a bunch of adventuring parties, the first human quest, the arena, and the "storming the city" event (the first part only). Now, i'm heading toward kor'pul.

I love that way of playing, getting some power from the 3 spell schools, being very squishy but with the shield rune, the healing spell, I handled the bosses, for now ...

dump :

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  [ToME4 @ www.te4.org Character Dump]

Sex              : Male         STR:  11
Race             : Shalore      DEX:  14
Class            : Arcane Blade MAG:  63
Level            : 12           WIL:  33
Exp              : 60%          CUN:  19
Gold             : 177.65       CON:  10

Accuracy(Main Hand):  11        Life             :     254/254  Encumbrance      : 23/59
Damage  (Main Hand):  28        Stamina          :     190/190  Difficulty       : Normal
Permadeath       : Roguelike
APR     (Main Hand):   0        Mana             :     183/305
Crit    (Main Hand):   6%       
Speed   (Main Hand): 1.00       
                               
                               
                               

Fatigue          : 3%           Spellpower       : 43.333333333333
Armor            : 2            Spell Crit       : 18.7%
Armor Hardiness  : 30%          Spell Speed      : 1
Defense          : 4.4         
Ranged Defense   : 4.4         
Physical damage  : 10%
Fire damage      : 18%
Acid damage      : 5%
Light damage     : 10%
Darkness damage  : 10%
Temporal damage  : 10%

Physical Save    : 7.35
Spell Save       : 28.3
Mental Save      : 18.2

Fire Resist(cap):  12%( 70%)
Acid Resist(cap):   5%( 70%)
Disease Resistance:  11%
Confusion Resistance:   6%
Silence Resistance:  30%
Disarm Resistance:   5%
Stun Resistance:  20%

Number of NPC killed: 475
Most killed NPC: giant white rat (53)

  [Talents Chart]

 - Race / Shalore                     (mastery 1.00)
    Grace of the Eternals (generic)   0/5
    Magic of the Eternals (generic)   0/5
    Secrets of the Eternals (generic) 0/5
    Timeless (generic)                0/5
 - Technique / Combat techniques      (mastery 1.10)
    Precise Strikes (class)           0/5
    Rush (class)                      0/5
    Perfect Strike (class)            0/5
    Blinding Speed (class)            0/5
 - Technique / Combat training        (mastery 1.10)
    Thick Skin (generic)              0/5
    Armour Training (generic)         0/10
    Combat Accuracy (generic)         0/5
    Weapons Mastery (generic)         0/5
    Dagger Mastery (generic)          0/5
 - Technique / Magical combat         (mastery 1.30)
    Arcane Combat (class)             0/5
    Arcane Cunning (class)            0/5
    Arcane Feed (class)               0/5
    Arcane Destruction (class)        0/5
 - Cunning / Dirty fighting           (mastery 1.20)
    Dirty Fighting (class)            0/5
    Backstab (class)                  0/5
    Switch Place (class)              0/5
    Cripple (class)                   0/5
 - Cunning / Survival                 (mastery 1.30)
    Trap Handling (generic)           3/5
    Heightened Senses (generic)       0/5
    Piercing Sight (generic)          0/5
    Evasion (generic)                 0/5
 - Spell / Fire                       (mastery 1.20)
    Flame (class)                     1/5
    Flameshock (class)                4/5
    Fireflash (class)                 1/5
    Inferno (class)                   1/5
 - Spell / Earth                      (mastery 1.20)
    Stone Skin (class)                1/5
    Mudslide (class)                  5/5
    Dig (class)                       0/5
    Stone Wall (class)                0/5
 - Spell / Air                        (mastery 1.20)
    Lightning (class)                 5/5
    Chain Lightning (class)           0/5
    Feather Wind (class)              0/5
    Thunderstorm (class)              0/5
 - Spell / Enhancement                (mastery 1.20)
    Fiery Hands (class)               0/5
    Earthen Barrier (class)           0/5
    Shock Hands (class)               0/5
    Inner Power (class)               0/5
 - Spell / Conveyance                 (mastery 1.20)
    Phase Door (generic)              5/5
    Teleport (generic)                0/5
    Displacement Shield (generic)     0/5
    Probability Travel (generic)      0/5
 - Spell / Aegis                      (mastery 1.10)
    Arcane Reconstruction (generic)   1/5
    Shielding (generic)               5/5
    Arcane Shield (generic)           0/5
    Aegis (generic)                   0/5

  [Inscriptions (3/3)]

Rune: Phase Door
Rune: Shielding
Rune: Manasurge

  [Current Effects]


  [Character Equipment]

 In main hand
a) Kor's Fall (10-12 power, 0 apr, temporal damage)
   Type: weapon / staff ; tier 1
It must be held with both hands.

Base power: 10.0 - 12.0
Uses stat: 110% Mag
Damage type: Temporal
Armour Penetration: +0
Physical crit. chance: +1.5%
Attack speed: 100%
When wielded/worn:
Changes damage: +10% physical / +10% light / +10% darkness / +10% temporal
Talent granted: +1 Command Staff
Spellpower: +7
Spell crit. chance: +8%
See invisible: +2

   Dropped by elven tempest
 In off hand
 On fingers
b) duelist's steel ring of mana (+0.10/turn)
   Type: jewelry / ring ; tier 2

When wielded/worn:
Accuracy: +3
Changes stats: +3 Dex
Mana each turn: +0.10

c) wizard's steel ring
   Type: jewelry / ring ; tier 2

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +3 Mag
Spell save: +3

   Dropped by elven guard
 Around neck
d) Withering Orbs
   Type: jewelry / amulet ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Damage when the wearer hits(melee): 5 mind
Damage when the wearer hits(ranged): 5 mind
Mindpower: +5
See invisible: +10
Blind-Fight:This item allows the wearer to attack unseen targets without any penalties.

 Light source
e) ethereal brass lantern of repulsion
   Type: lite / lite ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +5 Mag
Light radius: +4
It can be used to activate talent Glyph of Repulsion, placing all other charms into a 40 cooldown :
Effective talent level: 3.0
Power cost: 40 out of 40/40.
Range: 3.00
Travel Speed: instantaneous
Is Spell: true
Description: You bind light in a glyph on the floor. All targets passing by will be hit by a blast of light doing 30.60 damage and knocked back.
The glyph lasts for 8 turns.
The damage will increase with the Magic stat
   Dropped by The Withering Thing
 Main armor
f) bilefire linen robe (0 def, 0 armour)
   Type: armor / cloth ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +5 Mag
Changes resistances: +5% acid / +6% fire
Changes damage: +5% acid / +6% fire

 Cloak
g) regal linen cloak of warlust (1 def, 0 armour)
   Type: armor / cloak ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Physical crit. chance: +2.0%
Physical power: +1
Defense: +1
Changes stats: +2 Mag / +2 Wil
Silence immunity: +30%
Disarm immunity: +5%
Confusion immunity: +6%

 On head
h) thaloren rough leather cap of knowledge (0 def, 1 armour)
   Type: armor / head ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Armour: +1
Fatigue: +1%
Changes stats: +3 Wil / +3 Mag
Disease immunity: +11%
Stun/Freeze immunity: +20%
Spell crit. chance: +4%

   Dropped by Bill the Stone Troll
 Around waist
i) spiritwalker's rough leather belt of magery
   Type: armor / belt ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Changes stats: +5 Mag / +4 Wil
Mana each turn: +0.10
Maximum mana: +24.00
Spell crit. chance: +3%

 On hands
 On feet
j) Eden's Guile (2 def, 1 armour)
   Type: armor / feet ; tier 2

When wielded/worn:
Armour: +1
Defense: +2
Fatigue: +2%
Changes stats: +3 Cun
Talent mastery: +0.20 Cunning / Survival
It can be used to boost speed, costing 50 power out of 50/50.
   Dropped by Norgos, the Guardian
 Tool
k) Firetreason of charged psionic shield [power 14]  (20 cooldown)
   Type: charm / torque ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Changes resistances: +6% fire
Changes resistances penetration: +15% fire
Changes damage: +12% fire
It can be used to setup a psionic shield, reducing all lightning and blight damage by 14 for 6 turns, placing all other charms into a 20 cooldown.
   Dropped by Elirebeth the grey mold
 Quiver

  [Player Achievements]

'Curse Lifter' was achieved for Killed Ben Cruthdar the Cursed. At 2012-08-23 14:37:29
'Level 10' was achieved for Got a character to level 10. At 2012-08-23 14:55:49
'The Arena' was achieved for Unlocked Arena mode. At 2012-08-23 14:45:49

  [Character Inventory]

a) Tooth of the Mouth (dig speed 12 turns)
   Type: tool / digger ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Armour penetration: +5
Damage when the wearer is hit: 15 blight
Changes damage: +4% blight
It can be used to dig a wall, cut a tree, ..., costing 1 power out of 1/1.
b) Orb of Scrying
   [Plot Item]
Type: orb / orb

When carried:
It can be used to use the orb, costing 1 power out of 1/1.
c) Rod of Recall (1/1)
   [Plot Item]
Type: charm / rod

It can be used to recall the user to the worldmap, costing 202 power out of 400/400.
d) citrine
   Type: gem / yellow ; tier 1

When wielded/worn:
Light radius: +1
Infravision radius: +2
When used to imbue an object:
Light radius: +1
Infravision radius: +2


  [Last Messages]

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Today is the 51st Dusk of the 122nd year of the Age of Ascendancy of Maj'Eyal.
The time is 16:06.

I usually use Lightning , to handle single target or straight lanes of ennemies, and Flame (which deal enormous damage for a lvl 1), both because of their low mana cost and cooldown.
Mudslide is very useful for the knockback (as most bosses I got were melee ones), and Flameshock, both for the area damage.
I just leveled, so now, i'm looking forward to use my new Inferno ^^

Any comment on this build ?

[Trapezohedron]

A few magical tips:

When playing a mage, it's always good to get LVL 3 manathrust, because when it gets to LVL 3, it becomes a beam. Arcane Blades don't get to use this skill though. ):

Inferno has a really huge range with a long countdown until it dissipates. However, it can, and it will damage you unless you have access to the meta tree and get a certain spell there to LVL 5. As above, Arcane Blades don't have access to this tree, so you better distance yourself away from this spell.
You can use this to lure creatures out of hiding if you manage to hit them beyond line-of-sight. Arcane Eye is very useful for this purpose (get via mage class or escort).

The second flame skill (Flameshock) is great, especially when maxed, as it can slow down masses of enemies and burn them over time. Too bad this skill has a long cooldown.

Flame (first spell) turns into a beam if leveled up to five. It's up to you to decide whether it's worth the additional points or not.

[tompliss]

Flame (first spell) turns into a beam if leveled up to five. It's up to you to decide whether it's worth the additional points or not.

You mean it goes throught ennemies ?
Then I will definitly level this up !
(need confirmation on this, guys)

When playing a mage, it's always good to get LVL 3 manathrust, because when it gets to LVL 3, it becomes a beam. Arcane Blades don't get to use this skill though. ):

You mean the manathrust that I have as a rune ?
What do you mean by it being a beam ?
Anyway, I found 2 items (one very early, second dungeon or something), with a 0.1 mana regen. It's ridiculous but it helps, as it get improved my the manathrust second effect !

[rhesusmacabre]

Beams act just like your lightning and go through lines of enemies, and they're well worth it in corridors.

The rune you have is manasurge. Mages have the arcane talent tree that allows them to learn manathrust. Combined with lightning and flame, it allows at least one beam attack per turn while the others are cooling down.

[Robsoie]

Was exploring the Daikara , had a few problems then found the entrance to the temporal rift, good as i need to unlock again the temporal class, so i went in.
Then ... ouch ... argh.

Is it just me or the  entrance level with those odd clouds with all those elemental temporal tornado-look alike teleporting monsters is much more difficult than in the past (as it's been several version i didn't played) ?
My good berserker character didn't lost all his lifes only because i had a teleportation infusion to get to the exit of that entrance level, but still he was killed a few time by some of those things in a few turns (and they're not even elites version of their kind).

In the past it was not easy, but i could clean the place with a berserker at that point of the game (having explored all the "normal" beginning dungeon, leaving Daikara for the last "normal" beginning dungeon as usual).
Could it be a result of the smaller dungeons that then do not provide as much experience/levels as before ?
Or was that entrance level boosted in difficulty for some reason ?

[Frumple]

It's... actually been nerfed a few times sequentially, in the wake of the zero-g change making the thing absolute hell for a lot of classes. If the last time you played was before zero-g was implemented, though, it's definitely harder compared to then.

My guess is that you weren't paying attention to the zero-g effect. Moving normally in that place is a risky, risky business; zero-g hacks your movement speed down to something pitiable (50% reduction? More?). With a melee class you'll primarily want to find a corner that limits approach vectors (and more importantly, lines of fire... turn back the clock hurts) and let them come to you. Ideally, if you move, it's either through rush (possibly double rush, via boots) or a directed teleport of some sort (ghoulish leap, ferex). At the very least via movement infusion. Moving normally is a good way to just get torn straight to bitsies.

They are kinda' painful, but they're usually not too terrible as long as you make darn good and sure to not get ganged up on; find that cubbyhole and make sure no more than two at the most are coming down on you.

[Robsoie]

i must have paid no attention because i didn't knew about that zero-g.
In the past, the entrance level was much easier so i assume it was indeed a pre-zero-g version, the real difficulty started when you actually entered the time paradox remake of the levels you explored previously.

Fortunately, now that i know about the difficulty boost, my next character will not waste time in there and will teleport, then teleport and teleport again

[Robsoie]

Ah those good old paradox twin bosses, as in the past my current Brawler character only defeated them thanks heavily to the teleportation rune .
As usual with melee characters the tactic is

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Attract them in the entrance corridor so you don't get hammered by both at the same time, use all your protective/regenerative runes and infusion, as soon as you see you're going to die teleport away from those killing machines (be sure to have water breathing item), and run in the ruins underwater in the south of the map.
Wait for them inside, get backto full life with your rune/infusion, when they arrive, teleport away, run to the entrance corridor and wait for them to come.
Repeat the process until you kill both those insanely resistant and hard hitting monsters.
The major difficulty is while fighting to keep yourself alive and not use the teleportation too late, as they hit -very- hard and have tons of nasty effects on you, having healing runes is really not a waste there.

And a paradox class unlocked.

Oh and something else has not changed : how silly overpowered (i mean at the time you meet such monsters) the "devourers" random monsters can be without even being one of those new "elite" spawn.
My level 21 brawler that took out so many bosses got his more than 500 health + reverse shield rune active + wild infusion damage reduction ... destroyed in 1 turn by a group of them (funny there was so much damage in that 1 turn that the game even mentionned my character being killed multiple time )

So if you spot devourers (you can have them as early as Maze, i saw some in it during this run) and there's no corridor in sight, whatever powerfull you are just teleport away, really the best move you can do against those things if you're short in your amount of lives.

I remember there were luminous things too in the past that were insanely overpowered too for the time you met them, i wonder if they are always the same in that game, as i have not yet found any.

[Neonivek]

It is kind of why Tome while a great example of why a Roguelike doesn't have to be obtuse and punishing to be fun... can sometimes be obtuse and punishing.

The game has plenty of points Robsoie where if you weren't prepared for something LOOONG in advance, you are going to have trouble.

So they arn't overpowered... they are a Wiki-monster.

[Robsoie]

They aren't overpowered for your character anymore once you get more levels, so they may still be when you encounter them for the first time (especially in Maze in which your character is still at a low level and can be insta killed by them if you're unlucky in term of where you encounter them).

Anyways, after reaching level 25 , my Brawler cleared Dreadfell , letting the last level and "The Master" for later, as i remembered how strong that dungeon bosswas in past versions, and as the stair tactic has been removed from the game (as now monsters and bosses get back to full health if you go upstairs) it would surely be even more difficult for melee character.
So as i was rather high in fortress energy after "transmogrifing" so much loots, i decided to go into some farportal exploration to grind some more levels for the Dreadfell finale.

In the past i always waited until near endgame to go there, it's a huge mistake considering the bosses are created dependant to your level, i especially remember that playerkilling thing.
So at level 25 it would be much more managable and so would help my character to get more fit for the Master battle.

After 3 farportal assaults (one was really though) my character was level 28, more health, more power and added some more skill points where i needed.

I cleared the last floor of Dreadfell , letting The Master alone and out of sight (thanks a very lot for the Track skill of my brawler), and finally once the place was ok for my "get the hell away from death" teleportation tactic, it was time for the finale.

Attracted The Master attention and started brawling the guy, as expected very hard, and his summons add to his firepower each turns, so each 6/7 rounds of punching and kicking, it was time to teleport to heal and get back my infusion/rune control.

And finally  ...

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Ha ha, got you on your last knee, only a few more rounds and you're gone !
...

What ... WHAT ?

Ha ha, i forgot he could do that
So it was back for a bunch of brawl -> teleport -> heal/getbackruneinfusion control/wait -> brawl.
And ...

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unlocked the skeleton race this time.
With the stair tactic removed, teleportation is really a must for melee characters, especially considering how easy you get into rune/infusion saturation in the middle of a battle, when you need your rune and infusion the most.
But be sure to clear most of the dungeon floor, you would hate saving your character last hundred points of health by teleporting then being insta killed by a couple of elite units you landed next to.

[Robsoie]

While i experienced the problem, at some point you may see a new location named "Volcano Caldera" (in my game that appeared in the mountains just north of the Spellblaze)
Before trying to get into this location, i -highly- suggest you to backup your saved game , really do it (due to past experiences crashing with ToME4 i always do that before entering any new dungeons).

Because ToME4 autosave everything, and once you get into the Volcano Caldera, chances are that the game will be stuck (bug reported in the board), and if you have not backed up the save game from before entering, your character is simply toast and you're in for restarting the game from the very beginning, as the only available save in the load game menu will be leading you to freeze the game again and again.

So either do the saved game back up or avoid the Volcano Caldera location if you play with ToME4 beta42

[dei]

I've never really tried ToME but I'm willing to give this game a try. OP has piqued my interests.

EDIT - Jesus tittyfucking Christ, 183 MB for a freeware roguelike? Wait, I'm downloading the version with the free music attached. Now my interests are really piqued. Hopefully the soundtrack is good.

[dei]

Alright. I've played this game a bit today and I've got to say that I like the Alchemist class. There's just one question though, and that is how in the bloody hell do I get more alchemist gems?

...Or am I having a blonde moment here and just missing something in the documentation or lack-thereof? Don't get me wrong, I like this game. It's just that nowhere on the internet nor in the documentation does it say how to make these alchemist gems.

EDIT - I didn't realize I double-posted. Sorry about that.