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[ChairmanPoo]

Don't worry, that remains unlocked.

That being said, I've found doomed nigh-unplayable. I think that cursed are far more playable, as far as afflicted go. Their powers are really weaksauce, and having several of them linked to magic yet not receiving a spellpower bonus doesn't help. If you want to play a dark wizard, go for necros or corrupters instead.

Doomed need to be revamped badly. If I had to make a suggestion, I'd say that they ought to use some magic meter, and have talents that turn hatred into regeneration for that magic meter.

[Seriyu]

Wait, doomed use hate for spells?

I can't even imagine working that, melee talents are bad enough with them.

[ChairmanPoo]

Doomed use hate for spells, and require to boost willpower and magic. Only... magic doesnt help their talents, which dont qualify as magic in the game engne in the first place, despite being described as such. Thus, whereas cursed do receive a damage bonus for strenght investment, doomed receive very little from magic investment

[Frumple]

This is, uh. Wrong.

Doomed specifically have three trees (shadows, darkness, and primal magic) that scale of magic and magic specifically, i.e. the tooltips aren't lying for once. They also get a boost to the power of these trees as they gain levels, one of the few classes that have anything that scales with character level. Everything else scales with either willpower or mindpower (which is will+cun).

Most of their heavy damage talents do scale off willpower, however. The exception is primarily vaporize, which despite its downside hits like an effing brick -- it had to be nerfed somewhat recently because it was one-shotting high level players in the hands of doomed class'd adventurers and random uniques. The other two magic scaling trees primarily grant various utility abilities, some of which are quite useful.

Doomed also have a massively easier time of hate management than cursed (cursed are basically gimped in comparison). They have an entire tree dedicated to a talent called "Feed," which targets something in your LoS and constantly regens your hate (amount scaling with willpower) while the enemy remains in LoS.  Later talents in this tree lets you start draining health, stealing their damage output (-%damage all on them, +%damall on you), and filching their positive resistances. All in all, hate management for Doomed is quite easy, despite them using hate based talents considerably more actively than cursed tend to.

As for their overall strength, Doomed take a bit of getting used to, but in recent betas they've been nerfed multiple times simply because a number of their talents were too powerful. They've always been tricky to play, but they're definitely not underpowered at the moment.

[ChairmanPoo]

Neither shadow, nor darkness, nor primal magic use spellpower as boost. You need the magic stat as a prerreq, that's all

[Frumple]

Again, yes. They're scaling specifically off of magic, the stat, not spellpower. The talent description is actually being honest. They also gain additional power as you gain levels, to wit:

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return self:combatTalentSpellDamage(t, min, max, (self.level + self:getMag()) * 1.2) This is used instead of spellpower. The magic stat has a very definite impact on the trees in question, though spellpower does not. It's not just a prereq

Which is to say the spellpower equivalent for the magic scaling trees is character level + magic * 1.2. A 50th level doomed with 100 magic is going to have a spellpower equivalent of 180 for the darkness and primal magic talents.

Now, being fair, apparently the magic scaling aspect of the shadow tree (specifically the one that would boost the level of the shadows themselves based on magic) was apparently commented out a while back, so yeah, magic does nothing for that tree. Darkness and primal magic still scale with magic, though.

[Robsoie]

Is there any kind of tactic to use in the valley of the moon defense with a berzerker that does not have any ranged attack ?

In the past version that i played months ago, i never managed to keep the jeweller alive, and now as i'm near finished with completing the remaining optional active quests before going to the slime pits to use the 4 orbs of command and get to the grand finale, i have made a save from before summoning the jeweller ready to be save scummed.

My problem is not the enemy waves difficulty, as at that point i have now my berzerker at max level and after attempting the quest once i saw that he could destroy the whole demonic waves without much problem.

But again the jeweller got eaten... My problem is the enemies that regulary disarm my character for 7 or 9 turns, allowing them then to not be killed in 1 turn or 2, and so then able to race to the jeweller without me being able to clean the place with a Death Dance and its now huge damage, as hand to hand damage is very very far from the damage output my character does with his artifact weapon..

I thought maybe equipping items with disarming resistance would help, but it would mean having to remove all those nice items that make my character very resistant to everything else.
Are there resistance you don't need for this battle ?

edit : checking around, it looks like there's no disarm resistance ?
I guess the quest is then impossible, unless really lucky and all those monsters disarming you for a lot of round miss their disarming attack everytime, as disarmed once and you can be sure the Jeweller will be heavily wounded, you're disarmed twice, and he's dead.

[Bitoru]

Is there any way to give an weapon to an ally?

[Seriyu]

If it's your golem you can drop the weapon you want to give to him on the ground, right click the golem, select give order, and then take control or something similar. Pick it up as him, and there you go.

I think there's a button for switching control to golem but I forget it.

[Bitoru]

If it's your golem you can drop the weapon you want to give to him on the ground, right click the golem, select give order, and then take control or something similar. Pick it up as him, and there you go.

I think there's a button for switching control to golem but I forget it.

Oh hey, that works. Thanks!

[Robsoie]

YES !

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After ascending the High Peak and having sometime some problems (9 floors and each one has a unique with random abilities that can then be very strong), i finally reached the sorcerers sanctum.
 


It was an incredibly hard battle with my berzerker i really had a though time reaching those fleeing sorcerers.
I thought i had lot of hard boss battle before, but this one was even more difficult : each sorcerer have at least 15000 health (sometime more due to the randomness), minimum of 40% resist in nearly everything (and due to randomness, they can easily have several 90% of resist to every kind of damage).

I save scummed a bit before getting a possible to win setup (as in the sorcerers didn't have 95% of resistance to -every- damages i could do, as the randomness did really that 3 time !) but even there was a lot of luck involved as there were many near-death situation i escaped only with a teleport to the other side of the sanctum.

And if it was not enough, there was a continuous flow of summons coming out of 4 portals, plain crazy as the sorcerers were sometime behind the bunch of summons, making my character life even more difficult.
Even worse : too often one of the summon that one of those monsters that have the disarm ability, basically they were regularly crippling completely my berzerker attack possibilities when i really needed my best death dance damage to bring down the insane amount of health of the sorcerer (helped by their very high resistances).

After my victory i understood why i found this battle so insanely hard :


So it was possible to close those portals ? Arghhhh if only i have understood this, there wouldn't have been that save scumming thing to get back to the floor before the sorcerer sanctum with getting the game over (as i was out of extra lifes since a lot of time).
After exploring the room a bit i noticed the portals have the same names as the orb of command, so i guess using them on their corresponding portal was closing them.

Wish i knew that, as it really made the battle nearly impossible (especially with the Sun Paladin leader coming to help you being always killed early, surrounded by so many monsters).

There are a few portals that opened in the sanctum, but after all the tension of that victory, i'll try them another day.

Now that was an intense battle, really the epic situation i hoped to see for the finale.

The character dump there on pastebin
(overshot the max level a lot, as i notice i have after that battle an excess of 2167% point of XP, those sorcerers power was really strong enough to warrant such avalanche of experience)

Difficult to imagine how it is actually possible to play the whole game without dying at least once as it can be much harder than Crawl in some specific dungeons with an unique generated with stats and ability that are deadly to your equipment choice, even at high level.

[Dr.Feelgood]

Edit: Nevermind.

[Seriyu]

If it's your golem you can drop the weapon you want to give to him on the ground, right click the golem, select give order, and then take control or something similar. Pick it up as him, and there you go.

I think there's a button for switching control to golem but I forget it.

Oh hey, that works. Thanks!

Another thing to mention is you level up your golem in a similar way, if you haven't figured it out by now.

[Paul]

lol, I just gave this a try. I keep dieing because I open doors or move rocks.

Character: Halfling archer using slings with steady shot and the stam regen thing. Basically just a combination of shoot, shoot, steady shot repeatedly - using the halfling special power on tougher things to get more crits. Playing on roguelike, but thinking of changing that to adventurer haha.

First death: Found a house in the starting forest. Opened the door. 5x5 room with 25 rattlesnakes inside. Killed some of them, but died to their poison (which was doing like 15 points a tick, and I was low level so I didn't last for many ticks).

Second death: Found a stone in the starting forest. Moved it. Got swarmed by grizzly bears. Killed two before dieing, must have been at least 8 or 9 in there, most were out of sight and just kept moving in and out of sight since I was fighting one at a time.

Third death: Cleared forest no problem, including both boss trolls, giving me lots of levels. Moved on to the other little dungeon place across from forest after selling my loot in town. Had a nice Halfling sling (which reduces cooldown on steady shot) with good damage and armor that regenerated my health. Found a sealed door on first level. Opened it. Got shot in the face for 140 damage by a beefy archer with 600 life (I had 240 life). Used regen and stepped closer, got stabbed for 50. Managed to get it down to 300 health before dieing.

One of these days I'll learn to not open those sealed areas.

[Virroken]

Valley of the moon: I summon the jeweler, but the summon comes out hostile?