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How to prove existence
« on: February 26, 2011, 05:29:49 pm »
Say in a hypothetical situation:

Nobody knows how, or when, but a man appears in the middle of London/New York.
He speaks perfectly english, is caucasian, has perfect knowledge equal to a grade in say - mathematics
He looks like he's about 30 years old, Is naked (to prevent tracking by clothes :P ) and completely, absolutely doesn't remember anything up to this point except that his name is Richard Dorn (I made it up on the spot)

What would happen in this situation really?
Is there a possibility of finishing say college, getting a job and US citizenship? Are there any requirements for documents stating his real name and where he was born?

I don't know myself why I'm asking. I guess I was just curious.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2011, 05:34:40 pm »
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 05:39:41 pm »
well to start: hed be arrested for indecent exposure.
then hell have a day in prison curtosy of her magestys finest, a meal or two, and some time to get diagnosed with feck all memory or charged with wasing police time ontop of indecent exposure.
hell probably end up at the hospital to get a check up eventualy, when people belive hes not joking, and from their its anyones guess.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 05:44:34 pm »
Is this about an illegal immigration plan?
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 06:16:02 pm »
I heard once a story of a man that walked right into london from a forest.
He had no ability to speak and no one knew who he was.
I was just wondering what would happen to someone like that if the situation happened again.
Rised by monkeys anyone?
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 02:17:23 am »
Our social system is not set up to currently accept outsiders with no background, so exeptions must be made on hes behalf. With this in mind, the exact procedure that is taken to manage this man would be up to whoever gets in first.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 03:07:25 am »
Quote from: Max White on February 28, 2011, 02:17:23 am
Our social system is not set up to currently accept outsiders with no background, so exeptions must be made on hes behalf. With this in mind, the exact procedure that is taken to manage this man would be up to whoever gets in first.
Pretty much. Though, it's alarmingly likely he'd just be put back on the street and have to hobo it or otherwise figure something out on his own; there's not exactly a lot of ways or incentive for someone to make a special case for him.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 07:29:50 am »
Can they deport you if they can't figure out where you're from, though? I suppose they could throw you overboard in international waters :P Or can they just hold you in one of them illegal immigrant facilities till you die of old age?

I'm seriously considering illegal immigration to UK or USA, so I'm curious what would happen if I just went there and threw away all my documents. I'm pretty sure they could figure out I'm an immigrant by my accent, but is accent a good enough proof in court? Or will I even see court? A friend of mine was held in UK for 5 months because he looks kinda Arabic, and he never even saw a lawyer. He did have his documents, though.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 07:46:00 am »
Here at least you can't be deported if noone knows where are you from.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 10:00:20 am »
I don't think the US has national identity cards and such things. There are perhaps social security numbers, driver licenses, and birth certificates to prove identity, I guess. Makes it difficult to prove and deport someone as an illegal immigrant, especially if he pops up in New York. UK seems a little more strict about it, but still isn't perfect.

In the US, he could probably accomplish anything he wants... provided that he managed to obtain a lot of money. Someone has done it:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/14/college-student-ignites-immigration-debate/

The hardest part will be in obtaining clothes (without getting kicked out of the country) and getting the start up money.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 11:16:40 am »
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The hardest part will be in obtaining clothes (without getting kicked out of the country) and getting the start up money.
alas, kicked out to where?
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 01:10:16 pm »
The ocean.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2011, 03:07:29 pm »
I say launch him into space
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2011, 05:59:50 pm »
If they don't know where you're from, they can't deport you. If they do know where you're from, it might still be too much of a pain to bother with. I'm not sure what the detainment process is like, but they just haven't got the capacity for anything major, so it's almost assuredly either a brief stay or a low chance of ending up in there to begin with.
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Re: How to prove existence
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2011, 07:23:52 pm »
Quote from: IronyOwl on February 28, 2011, 05:59:50 pm
If they don't know where you're from, they can't deport you. If they do know where you're from, it might still be too much of a pain to bother with. I'm not sure what the detainment process is like, but they just haven't got the capacity for anything major, so it's almost assuredly either a brief stay or a low chance of ending up in there to begin with.
In that respect he's lucky to have landed in the US. If he'd have landed in the Netherlands there's a fair chance he'd be locked away in a refugee asylum until they figure out where he's from.
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