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Socialist

17 (33.3%)

Green

8 (15.7%)

Peace and Freedom

2 (3.9%)

Democratic

1 (2%)

Transhumanist

11 (21.6%)

Libertarian

8 (15.7%)

Republican

2 (3.9%)

Constitution

2 (3.9%)

Total Members Voted: 50

[Cruxador]

Some ambiguous questions; does cooperative or community ownership count as public? I feel like the question was trying to ask if I was a full government planning tanky, but my answer there would have been more along anarcho-syndicalist lines.

In the end though,

Closest Match: Eco-Anarchism
Eco-Anarchism, or Green Anarchism, is a form of anarchism that places a particular emphasis on environmental issues. It is often linked to more distinct ideologies such as Anarcho-Syndicalism. Eco-Anarchists are generally revolutionary and support using a decentralized egalitarian economy to achieve environmental goals.

Sounds about right really. It implies a focus on environment for its own sake or even over society, but the destruction of commonly held natural lands is one of the greatest probably the single most irreversible sin of capitalism. It represents the destruction of long term value for short term gain and that is the fundamental priority issue that undermines the entire capitalist system.

I scored very environmental and very decentralized, scientific and pro union, and neutral on the other three. I think revolutions are bad, but also potentially better than the alternate option of doing nothing, in a society where no other political action is effective. I don't believe in the international revolution whatsoever and I support local and cultural particularism even on the level of nations, though isolationism and closed borders are practically detrimental.

My next matches were AnCom at 90%, which I think would be nice in principle but a true implementation is unsustainable due to bad actors either externally or internally as that's basically how tribalism ended on the global stage.
Market Anarchist got 88%, which I have basically the same feeling on.
Democratic Socialism at 82% which I feel is the only option that's proven to work on an international stage, even if not necessarily the perfect implementation of what's realistically possible in every case.
At 80%, left wing nationalism. Despite the connotation of that word, I agree with this; individual groups have a right to their own culture and self determination. Exterminating culture in the name of socialism indicates a misunderstanding of both.

And 80% is far enough down the list so I'll leave it there.



I did 8dreams too, and it gave me kakistocrat. It seems like that's its "moderate" option which you fall into if you don't believe anything kooky enough to get what it has as other options. That's fairly on brand, I guess.



I also took this ten groups thing, which is a rather more in depth quiz. It ended up calling me a kruschevist though, which seems a bit too specific and indistinct for such a quiz.

[scriver]

In my swedo-centric mind, "public" ownership has the meaning of "state owned"/"owned by the people through the state". A business owned by it's workers would not count as that, I would call that Communal or Syndicated.

[A Thing]

Classical Marxism. Apparrently my closest matches after that are Marxism-Leninism, Eurocommunism, and Orthodox Marxism. The actual heat map makes me look like a syndicalist and/or Trotskyist.

[Dostoevsky]

Eurocommunist. Mostly bland, which sounds about right for me.

I will say that a few of the questions seemed a little bit naive/ignorant - that is the question is framed as two poles and not really being aware of complicating factors.

[Greiger]

Interesting, learned a few political terms and learned where I stand on them at the same time.   Neat.
Leftvalues Democratic Socialism
10Groups Social Democracy

Yea there were a few questions, especially in the 10groups one where I felt there were other important factors to consider other than a yes/no.  I usually just picked one of the partially options for those.  Apparently in one I prefer revolution, and in the other I prefer peaceful transition but I may be reading some of the 10 groups thing wrong.

Also I'm apparently heavily transhumanist, so I probably need to play the Deus Ex games at some point.

[McTraveller]

For 8Dreams I got:

Economic: Realist (47.5 Altruity/ 52.5 Avarice)
Diplomatic: Ideological (35.2 Dominant/ 64.8 Insular)
Civil: Rational (55.9 Self/ 44.1 Totality)
Societal: Sensible (42.9 Stalwart/ 57.1 Hedonic)

Closest match of Kakistocracy.

I think something is broken, because I don't know how those results can be "government by the worst people."  I guess the disclaimer on closest match being inaccurate is really an understatement!

Those things sound very pleasant.  The thing that gets me about both the questions and the result - nothing is ever defined anywhere!

Compass results are Communal / Darwinist (2.81), Orwellian/Egoistic (-2), and Futuristic/Primal (-1.67).

I suppose that's accurate, I'm not very polarized.

Wow the 10 groups also confirmed "middle of the road."

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The transition from Amniotes to Mammals was a incorrect move.

[grave worm]

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I anti-societied so hard on that quiz that I broke the 'civil axis'

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Spoiler: spooks (click to show/hide)

[Rolan7]

Might I ask what the difference between "Scientific" and "Utopian" means in the LeftValues poll?

And while I'm at it, "Party" vs "Union".  I love unions.  Why did I get a bad score on unions /s
Edit:  Like I'm actually in support of a large general union that serves the rights of everybody instead of being mired in factionalism

[McTraveller]

Eh, I still don't know what "spook" means in the context of those surveys. Although I think the 10groups one it said something that kind of defined it.

I always thought "spook" meant a government intelligence agent.  Is that still what it means?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Might I ask what the difference between "Scientific" and "Utopian" means in the LeftValues poll?

Utopian Socialism is the ideal-based pre-Marx group of socialist movements, most notably the factory town movement. Scientific Socialism is Marxism, and bases itself on material analysis instead of pursuing ideals.

Eh, I still don't know what "spook" means in the context of those surveys. Although I think the 10groups one it said something that kind of defined it.

I always thought "spook" meant a government intelligence agent.  Is that still what it means?

It is a reference to the philosophy of Max Stirner, generally called Egoism. Stirner's primary thesis is that all things which humans do happen on the basis of their own ego or self, but that this was divided between voluntary and involuntary acts of egoism. The latter he called geists in German, which has been variously translated as ghosts, phantasms, or most famously spooks. This includes things such as religion, nationalism, gender roles, and generally any form of societal ideology not determined by the individual.

He advocates that a person must reject these ghosts and instead follow only their own true ego, their voluntary will. This is reflected in one of the more often quoted things he wrote, which was:

Do you suppose the humane liberal will be so liberal as to aver that everything possible to man is human? On the contrary! He does not, indeed, share the Philistine’s moral prejudice about the strumpet, but “that this woman turns her body into a money-getting machine” makes her despicable to him as “human being.” His judgment is, the strumpet is not a human being; or, so far as a woman is a strumpet, so far is she unhuman, dehumanized. Further: The Jew, the Christian, the privileged person, the theologian, etc., is not a human being; so far as you are a Jew, etc., you are not a human being. Again the imperious postulate: Cast from you everything peculiar, criticize it away! Be not a Jew, not a Christian, but be a human being, nothing but a human being. Assert your humanity against every restrictive specification; make yourself, by means of it, a human being, and free from those limits; make yourself a “free man,” that is recognize humanity as your all-determining essence.

I say: You are indeed more than a Jew, more than a Christian, etc., but you are also more than a human being. Those are all ideas, but you are corporeal. Do you suppose, then, that you can ever become a “human being as such?” Do you suppose our posterity will find no prejudices and limits to clear away, for which our powers were not sufficient? Or do you perhaps think that in your fortieth or fiftieth year you have come so far that the following days have nothing more to dissipate in you, and that you are a human being? The men of the future will yet fight their way to many a liberty that we do not even miss. What do you need that later liberty for? If you meant to esteem yourself as nothing before you had become a human being, you would have to wait until the “last judgment,” until the day when man, or humanity, shall have attained perfection. But, as you will surely die before that, what becomes of your prize of victory?

tl;dr: Do whatever you want, fuck the police

[grave worm]

^^ And it's basically a meme among internet anarchists/post-leftists, I think that's why whoever made that quiz used it so much.

[Cruxador]

"Fuck the police" shall be the whole of the law

[Egan_BW]

ah yes, the anti-police-pact.

[scriver]

I believe if the German "geist" is used, "spirit" would be more appropriate. At least if it is used in the same general vein as, say, "zeit-geist" ("time-spirit", "the spirit of our times").

[feelotraveller]

But it's not: geist is usually translated as spirit in Stirner's works, as elsewhere, but spook is the english translation of the german spuk.