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Total Members Voted: 49

[MetalSlimeHunt]

New Test.

[freeformschooler]

Interpretation

We would expect you to be a happy, well-balanced person who likes people and is liked by others. You question whether many conventional views on morality are valid under all circumstances.

Men: Do we detect a sense of chivalry and idealism under the sophistication?

Well, that's pretty much spot-on.

[FearfulJesuit]

"You are the slightly romantic realist. You respect truth, and are broadminded and flexible. Whether you are a man or a woman you are probably a happy person. You like people and they can readily make friends with you. You are not very adventurous, but this does not bother you."

For the record, I thought Little John was least immoral, Marion second-best, followed by the Sheriff and then Robin. I certainly respect truth, but I don't make friends easily. I'm also, I think, more hardheaded than this would show.

I wonder what I get if I put in the opposite:

"We think you are unhappy, although you probably will not admit it. As a ruthless authoritarian you are as moral as it suits you and no more. You do not apply the same rules to men as you do to women."

[kaijyuu]

Maid Marion
Little John
Robin Hood
The Sheriff

We would expect you to be a happy, well-balanced person who likes people and is liked by others. You question whether many conventional views on morality are valid under all circumstances.

Men: Do we detect a sense of chivalry and idealism under the sophistication?

Chivalry? Bah! Respect for everyone? Sure!


Problems I have with the test:

1) Maid Marion doesn't actually do anything (she only reacts to what other people do), so it's impossible to judge her with any reasonable degree of accuracy. I assumed her naive, manipulated, and submissive, but that's far from the only interpretation.
2) Little John's motivations are very important in judging him, here. If he's an opportunist who's manipulating Marion, he's on the same level as Robin, if not worse. If he honestly cares for her, then it's a different story. I assumed somewhere inbetween.


I sense a not insignificant tinge of assuming that "men act, women react" in relationships on the part of the test creator. Though it's also possible that the Main Point of this test had to do with Robin's reaction ("hey, let's burn down this stupid assumption that men can have sex whenever they want and women can't"), in which case it's more forgivable.

[FearfulJesuit]

Well, what would make a better story?

I think the problem here is that it's not using enough axes to measure someone's morality, and it's using the ones it has very blurrily. At the very least I'd want to see- since this is a Robin Hood story- something about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, that is, the morality of inequality and existing institutions and rules, which I'm not seeing.

But eh, this isn't scientific.

Here's another morality test I found here and am starting now...

[GlyphGryph]

You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion.

Men: You are sexually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit.

kaijyuu, I'm not sure you're correct. Everyone in the story makes essentially one decision. Marion does not merely react, anymore than anyone else does. By that standard, everyone except the Sheriff is simply reacting - he is, after all, the only initiator. What's important is that each makes a decision.

Like with anything of this sort, of course, how someone interprets what they read says more about them than about the story.

The sheriff is undoubtedly bad, in a petty and selfish way. But Marion willingly made a sacrifice to save those she cared about. Robin Hood, though? He essentially betrayed the person who loved him, and whom he supposedly loved, for doing what needed to be done to save him. The sheriff was bad, but the things he did ran nowhere as deep as that. Little John's actions are the hardest to interpret, but he defended the person who did the right thing against a friend who was out of order, and carried through on his word.

I thought, overall, it was pretty interesting. I'd also like to see the interpretations of others, since I'm sure it will reveal even more than the summaries we received at the end.

[kaijyuu]

Mmm... fair enough, Gryph.


As for Little John, I'd love to see what the test creator would have him do if Marion rejected him saying "I like you as a friend." If he exploded saying he "deserved" something from her after defending her, then he's as horrible as the rest. If not, he's a pretty good guy.

[Tarran]

You are fairly broadminded romantic and reasonably contented. You value kindness greatly and try to live by your ideals. You do not conceal from yourself, or from others, your strong need for security, which may be either emotional or material.

Men: Perhaps you tend to idealize women and credit them with virtues they don't possess.

Top: Possibly true.

Bottom: Only somewhat true when I do not get the chance to think things through.

For reference, I chose jmrs. I believe that John didn't do anything really bad (unless I skipped over something?), Marion did betray Robin, but in the name of love, Robin has some right to feel upset, but not as much as in the story, and the Sheriff to me seemed very corrupt, at best.

[FearfulJesuit]

Robin Hood and the Sheriff are definitely being eeeevul, while Marion and Little John are committing venial sins at worst, that's for sure. What isn't quite so set in stone is the order in which they go. From least evil to most, our four possibilities are:

Little John-Marion-Sheriff-Robin Hood (it's bad to cheat on your lover, but much much worse to abandon them, and least bad to pick up the pieces?);
Little John-Marion-Robin Hood-Sheriff (hey, cheating is bad and being a jerk about it, while bad, is not the worst);
Marion-Little John-Sheriff-Robin Hood (You gotta grit your teeth and do what you gotta do to save your SO, and that needs to be respected);
Marion-Little John-Robin Hood-Sheriff (I'm not really sure this makes all that much sense-cheating is least bad, but reacting way out of proportion to it is not as bad as one would think?)

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Mmm... fair enough, Gryph.


As for Little John, I'd love to see what the test creator would have him do if Marion rejected him saying "I like you as a friend." If he exploded saying he "deserved" something from her after defending her, then he's as horrible as the rest. If not, he's a pretty good guy.

That takes it a bit too grey. On a judgment test like this you have to have clearly defined enough areas for each character to inhabit, or everyone falls into a morally equal category and whatever judgment you end up with is (more) meaningless.

I had this exact problem with Maid Marion and Little John, who I see as being mostly morally equal. I ultimately rated Little John above Maid Marion, as she did betray Robin Hood's trust even if it was for a good reason. Even so, it's only the most minor of differences.

[FearfulJesuit]

My result on this test was Neutral Good (47.2% Good, 10.3% Lawful). I think that probably sums me up pretty well- there's a Chaotic Good vigilante in me, but it's kept in check by my natural sensitivity to rules.

[Zangi]

MJSR
You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion.

Men: You are sexually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit.

First part, yea, I think that fits...

Personally, I do not see Marion's action as an 'act of betrayal'... but one of self-sacrifice/love.  Robin Hood in this scenario is being a total douchebag, putting all the blame on the wrong person because his 'love' has now been sullied / his perception of her has been shattered.

[freeformschooler]

One thing that bugs me about this test. Here's the worst possible combination's results (SRMJ) for men and women, respectively:

Men: We find it hard to imagine you leading a full, happy life. The warmth and give-and-take of love are not for you. Your sex life is ringed with unreality, and you neither understand nor appreciate women.

Women: If you really believe this is the right order, you baffle us completely.

Because that's how gender works.

[FearfulJesuit]

Upon further reflection, yeah, Marion's act is one of self-sacrifice. Whether the Sheriff or Robin are worse is, I think, up for debate. (Me, I choose Robin. The Sheriff is just being an amoral opportunist, certainly that's the best plausible interpretation of him. You can't read Robin as anything other than an utter jerkass.)

I think that's sort of the problem with a test like this: it presents all those possibilities as legitimate moral judgements, even if bad ones. It's not that hard to form a more objective pool of three or four choices that are morally consistent according to most standards (though I suppose we could find a wackier, Randroid judgement that remains consistent on its own terms) which, because those are more objective, say much less about the person taking them. By inputting in Marion-Little John-Sheriff-Robin Hood...I may be more romantic than I appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than I care to admit (true the both), but sexually uninhibited? My inner Puritan starts screaming a blue streak whenever I kiss a girl on the cheek down here in Brazil (as one normally does in greeting), unless I'm drunk (in which case, kisses for all, and one of these days I'll end up kissing a girl on the mouth and carry the regret for life).

[GlyphGryph]

Alignment test, I fail right on question one. Answer: None of the Above.

My tried and true strategy is to peg it with tennis balls until it climbs out of the tree on it's own.