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Socialist

17 (33.3%)

Green

8 (15.7%)

Peace and Freedom

2 (3.9%)

Democratic

1 (2%)

Transhumanist

11 (21.6%)

Libertarian

8 (15.7%)

Republican

2 (3.9%)

Constitution

2 (3.9%)

Total Members Voted: 50

[Vector]

Nope.

[Dsarker]

"Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle."

[Patchouli]

I can't be the only one here who is occasionally overwhelmed with the sense of how surreal reality is, how strange it is that I'm this bundle of neurons, this collection of consciousness, in this vast complex reality... can I? I get the feeling I'm making no sense at all.

Not alone, I think most people think about that. I remember being part of the school's crossing guard, and sometimes, we would talk about the mindblowing-ness of reality.

[Angel Of Death]

Life:   4.3
Mind:   3.7
Body:   4.1
Spirit:   3.5
Friends/Family:   3.5
Love:   1.4
Finance:   2.9

I think I can agree with this.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The god of the Old Testament was a dick. New Testament god is a pretty chill dude.

I wouldn't exactly say that the New Testament god is a chill dude.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Pretty chill god in comparison to Old Testament god, Zeus, Thor, Shiva, Sekhmet, etc.

[Dsarker]

The god of the Old Testament was a dick. New Testament god is a pretty chill dude.

I wouldn't exactly say that the New Testament god is a chill dude.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Because the master is a representative of Christ. He also tells the masters to stop even threatening their slaves. You have to understand, at this time in history, unless you are a roman citizen, if you are male, you could become a slave AT ANY TIME. And if you were female, even if you were.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The god of the Old Testament was a dick. New Testament god is a pretty chill dude.

I wouldn't exactly say that the New Testament god is a chill dude.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Because the master is a representative of Christ. He also tells the masters to stop even threatening their slaves. You have to understand, at this time in history, unless you are a roman citizen, if you are male, you could become a slave AT ANY TIME. And if you were female, even if you were.

And I don't care. Slavery was wrong then, it was wrong in the 1800's, and it's still wrong now.

[Dsarker]

So you want him to say "Slaves, rebel against your masters! Your lives are worth nothing compared to being able to live free until the Romans come down and destroy you, everyone who supported you, and by the way, all the Christians too. Maybe even the Jews, because nobody really discerns any difference between them and us."

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Yes, actually. To be free is worth war, sacrifice, and death. It is complacency, more than anything else, that lets tyrannical societies exist. The Nazis would have had their precious Third Reich fall apart from the inside if the non-Nazi citizens of Germany had not been complacent to their atrocities for as long as they were.

Of course, that's going with Jesus as a philosopher. If he were really the Son of God and really a good person, I'd expect him to channel some Old Testament Yahweh to dispose Caesar and turn Imperial Rome into a just society.

[Dsarker]

Okay, let's go with a real world analogy. Even the Nazis, if you want.

Except the Nazis control the known world. They enforce peace. Anyone who does rebel is either made a slave or executed. People are largely free to do what they want, and the only people grumbling are the Jews, who have a largely autonomous country, and are given religious freedom. But these Nazis have slaves. Only problem is that they keep the slaves well treated. In fact, harming a slave is a crime. Not to mention that a large amount of administrative work is done by both slaves and freedmen.

Your average slave, in this hypothetical Nazi empire, has no access to any weapons. If he's lucky, he might have a hoe or pitchfork. Maybe. Among these slaves are also a large quantity of what today would be known as pop stars. The average non-slave doesn't have a better lot than your average slave, and in fact is more likely to be starving in the street. And goodness help you if you get imprisoned. You face a slow death of starvation, and if you're unlucky, you might die of dehydration first. Because, you see, nobody feeds or waters the prisoners. Unless you have some friends, who might be able to bring food to you.

On the other hand, the military is a great life, and a lot of the poor are ready to join up. If you're not a Nazi, you will be by the end (which is worth it in itself, because without being a Nazi, you have basically no rights. Just that no-one bothers to harm you enough.), and if you ARE a Nazi, after those twenty five years, you get your own little farm to live on, with the slaves required to keep it running. Which you would be needing, because those slaves are far more likely to read than you are, so you'd do well to keep them happy. Or they might, you know, just decide to take a percentage of the profits for themselves.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

These Nazis you're describing don't sound very much like Nazis.

In any case, it's only right to rebel in this situation, given that we're living in a worldwide Nazi slave empire in your scenario. I don't care how well the slaves are treated. I don't care how much legal protection they have from abuse. They're slaves, and that's not right. There were a lot of places in the CSA where slavers would treat their slaves well to ensure that they got a good profit out of their harvests. That didn't make it alright, that just made these particular slavers pragmatic enough to realize that happy and healthy slaves are productive slaves.

[Dsarker]

But it's the exact same thing. You are talking about slavery in the Greco-Roman world as if it was only like the slavery that occured later on. While some of it undeniably was, a great portion of it WASN'T. Only instead of paying their workers in cash, they housed and fed them. And they trained them, as well. You might as well call them servants. And you know what? You are arguing for absolute freedom, when there is absolutely no chance of it succeeding. You either get crucified by the Romans, or on the off chance that your revolt succeeds, you no longer have protection given by the Romans, and the Gauls decide to make you their slaves. Which would be a hell of a lot more like the slaves of later eras.

You're basically saying that government should not enforce laws. That nobody should be restricted in anything they do. What's to stop someone killing off the lower class?

[Miggy]

Oh wow Nazis. I thought this was a quiz thread.

Life:    7.5
Mind:    7.3
Body:    8.8
Spirit:    7
Friends/Family:    3.5
Love:    1.4
Finance:    7.1

I don't see anything I would disagree, although perhaps that body is so high. I'm not unhealthy by any means, but I'm not super-duper healthy either, as that would suggest. I guess it just considers "not morbidly obese" and "pretty fit" to be so above average that it deserves a near-9.

But the overlying theme my test gave resonates pretty well with me: Life's pretty great, but I need to socialise more and I desperately need to get a girlfriend. That'll boost it from pretty great to absolutely fantastic.

[Lysabild]

Pretty chill god in comparison to Old Testament god, Zeus, Thor, Shiva, Sekhmet, etc.

Huh? Thor? The dude that protected humanity from the natural forces of the world(aka Jotuns) are supposed to be mean? That's pretty much what he did. Just saying, but Thor is really malplaced on that list, Odin would've fitted better, though in general all the norse gods were pretty chill when it came to rules of what should be done on Midgård.

Also, the new testament keeps repeating that the old testament still counts and Jesus isn't really a nice guy if you actually read the bible.