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EveryZig

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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2011, 03:25:06 pm »

@ Girlinhat: All you need to harvest goblinite (in .19) is (clay or stone) and (wood and/or gravity). I think that even if the clay bug is fixed, you can still kill an ambush (if you know they are there) with one 10 length bridge over a long drop linked to a lever (3 stones + bridge materials). Or just three weapon traps with spiked wooden balls, though that is less fun.

About less being more in a different way, what do you guys find to be the best number of weapons per trap? I find that one copper serrated disk works much better then five+ because 5 disks gets two or so enemies then jams, while a one disk trap can strike for three red body parts on different enemies again and again and again.
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2011, 07:22:15 pm »

EveryZig, flying enemies are ignorable, if you have put a roof on everything and have mechanisms for drawbridges, links, and levers. Otherwise, you'll have to go with covered fortress and hatches on Z+1 level inside your covered fortress and a ramp leading up to the hatch. Since hatches aren't breakable from below, you just retreat into your covered fortress, lock the hatches, and wait it out.
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2011, 07:28:33 pm »

It's really a pain, though, to build roofs over all of your above-ground stuff and make it airtight. Though that might have been partly because the last time I did that I made my no-digging fortress entirely from glass (this was before flying sieges).
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2011, 06:25:27 am »

Metal weapons to get Goblinite? For shame. Such is why Arnok gave us mighty wooden Crossbows.

And if you have wood and water, you can make a pump to build a moat out of wooden blocks.

Minimum mining build: One Anvil, one stone, one ore.
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2011, 05:26:45 pm »

Air moats are better than water moats. They cannot be crossed by anything but fliers.
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2011, 05:28:20 pm »

Lava moats are fun to dump things into though.
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2011, 09:07:13 pm »

I find double moating to be the best of both worlds. Use either a channel with water, and then a wall, or a two Z-level wall, with only the lower one with water in it.

Of course, using a single moat is for sissy elf types.

Real dwarves use three moats. A dual stack air moat, a deep well moat, and a magma moat. The order is of course up to the dwarf in question, but that's a minor thing.
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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2011, 10:36:30 pm »

I find double moating to be the best of both worlds. Use either a channel with water, and then a wall, or a two Z-level wall, with only the lower one with water in it.

Of course, using a single moat is for sissy elf types.

Real dwarves use three moats. A dual stack air moat, a deep well moat, and a magma moat. The order is of course up to the dwarf in question, but that's a minor thing.
And if you close the drawbridge, there is a chance that the enemy's in it will burn into magma, drown or break a few bones on the rock?
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2011, 11:55:16 pm »

A true dwarf doesn't use a moat for defence , they just like being surrounded by magma
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« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2011, 12:42:18 am »

I've successfully defended a fort in a terrifying biome with barely any military. Lack of metals made me get creative with my first drowning trap and spike-lined pit traps. I've even set up cave-in traps for FB's. Make you moat be wherever the goblins are.  :P
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2011, 01:46:59 am »

Yeah but it's just not dwarven to use wood for anything, beds should be carvable out of bone :(
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2011, 04:10:26 am »

Yeah but it's just not dwarven to use wood for anything, beds should be carvable out of bone :(

It IS dwarfen if they're made of cavern wood, like Tower Caps or Nether Cap (those ones being my favourites, because they're coooool  8) )
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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2011, 04:29:00 am »

I'm fond of Blood Thorn and Goblin-Cap myself, mostly for the red, but Tunnel Tuber can be fun for the drug-trip color scheme.  In fact, just throw all the shroom-trees up and build walls and beds and furniture from them.  Your dwarves are already eating and drinking raw mushroom, it's not like they'll notice.

Also, *facepalm* at the "cool" comment.

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Re: Newish player finds less is more...
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2011, 12:01:36 pm »

I always dig down, down to the third cavern level at embark, just for shroom-trees.

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