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Author Topic: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)  (Read 13272 times)

nenjin

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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2011, 06:44:50 am »

Moving right along...

After many hours spent wrestling with the the Terrain Feature, I've gotten mostly what I want. The overall picture of the Castle now should show you why I say mostly.


I have no idea why Sketchup made one terrain (composed of several smaller terrain grids) smooth, while the other I've made on the right still shows lines everywhere. If anyone knowledgeable with Sketchup has an answer, speak up! I've done the Smoothing thing to maximum effect but it's not made a difference.

Despite how eye gouging the lines are I'm not going for video game perfect presentation. It just annoys me that I don't understand what rule I've broken that makes it not look as pretty as it could. The amount of effort it took to make the graveyard, with paths going in between bits of terrain, should have been small. It turned out to be a major hassle because of how finicky, and unpredictable, Sketchup gets when you start working with terrain around lots of complex structures.

But enough of that. I mentioned a graveyard, so here's the guts of it.

Spoiler: Castle Cemetary (click to show/hide)
Dracula offers great deals on family plots. It's also conveniently located adjacent to the Execution Yard, for all your quick burial needs.

A mausoleum and plenty of gravestones (which I'm sure the Model Library has many of), some dead trees and I think it will be down right homey. This is actually only part of the graveyard, where all the staff and guards and minor nobles get planted. The more upperclass, fancy graveyard will be behind the Cathedral.

Also, I'm looking for suggestions. Notice that empty section in the upper left, next to the maze? I've no idea what to put in there.

I've got a few ideas. Like a crazy garden of evil or perhaps a lake. I'm leaning toward the garden because the lake somehow doesn't seem like it fits; it's crammed into some convenient location of the castle. Maybe a pond is more appropriate than a lake with a boatmen.

Anyways, I'm open to suggestions on it (or other areas people really want to have included I suppose.) I'm reaching the point where most of the real-estate of the castle exterior is now covered. Then I will begin hardcore detailing, such as windows, crenelations for the walls, and probably a redesign of some towers.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2011, 07:14:12 am by nenjin »
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2011, 10:53:21 am »

Garden of Evil/Boneyard. Trees made of bones dripping blood and flowering eyeballs. Dark red grass. Broken, overgrown paths. Guarded by giant skeletons and the ever-present giant bat.

Failing that, you could always put in Olrox's Tower. ^_^
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2011, 11:20:51 am »

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Failing that, you could always put in Olrox's Tower. ^_^

It's already allotted for, more or less.

Spoiler: Mausoleum (click to show/hide)
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2011, 11:24:21 am »

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Failing that, you could always put in Olrox's Tower. ^_^

It's already allotted for, more or less.

Spoiler: Mausoleum (click to show/hide)

Ooh, shiny.

You could always put in an entrance to the underground, too.
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2011, 12:07:37 pm »


Sadly, you can't set the angle or direction of the sun in the free version of Sketchup, so I can't manipulate the shadows for maximum 'Vania.
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2011, 02:35:34 pm »

If you can export this into .3ds I can try rendering it on a better engine :)
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2011, 03:09:52 am »


Sadly, you can't set the angle or direction of the sun in the free version of Sketchup, so I can't manipulate the shadows for maximum 'Vania.

You sure about this?

Try windows --> shadows --> tick 'use sun for shading' ... manipulate time and day ...
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2011, 02:42:39 pm »

Yep, I'm sure. You can set what time zone you're in, time of day and a few shading properties. But you can't grab the sun and swing it around the horizon where you want in the free version. Which sucks because I remember being able to do it back in Google Sketchup 6.
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2011, 11:20:05 pm »

Enjoy the night...

So while I mull over what to do with the remaining space, I prettify things further.


I'm unsure if I like the effect or not. At times it seems good, and at others it seems too crowded. What do you guys think? Here's a version with less colums:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Which looks better?

I'm fairly proud of my bat at any rate, even if it looks a little like Batman's logo.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2011, 11:24:14 pm by nenjin »
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2011, 12:12:49 am »

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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2011, 02:42:20 am »

Here's a little something for the nightowls.

This is arguably what I love doing the most. The details are where you can lose yourself in Sketchup; creating, playing, tweaking, importing models. I'm learning how to mass produce things now and it's greatly speeding up the super tedious shit like windows.

Most of my time here was actually spent cleaning up an oversight from months ago when I created it. One side of the building was 4' longer from the doorway than the other. Changing it revealed an awkwardly formed gap in the geometry that was preventing a wall from being movable. In the past, this would have been a tangled, fucked up mess that would have undone everything by trying to fix it. Now, because I'm being so much more careful, being surgical with this bitch is so much easier.

Measure twice, cut once, as the saying goes.

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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2011, 05:19:12 am »

I think the columns do look a bit crowded. How about just having them on the edge of the round bit? You could add a little dome to the underside of said round bit to make it structurally sound
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2011, 05:52:31 am »


So I went with fewer columns, but instead of a dome I made a larger support beam that's fluted. I think I'll call that good for now, and add a nice lantern model when I find one to hang from bottom-center of the platform.
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2011, 09:04:38 am »

Wow, you're really kicking ass on this thing, man. Keep up the good work!
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Re: Something-Vania! (An experiment in mapping and insanity)
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2011, 05:44:59 am »

A thick mist covers the castle...


Imagine that greenish/brown stuff is reed and moss-strewn water. I abandoned the idea of trying to do terrain grids to simulate water here, because it was a pain in the ass to get it right in the graveyard. I'm not happy with the water texture or the flatness of it, so I may revisit those both when I come back for another pass. I can still try to do water the terrain-y way. We'll see.

Other than that I've been doing some minor, and some not so minor, detail work. Like putting down a few hundred fence objects.


Sketchup is......handling it, for now. But slow downs are becoming an issue in general. Lighting calculations take 2 minutes or more with every adjustment, and in certain areas frame rates are poop and there's a bit of response lag. Luckily I can still work, and it's never going to be animated or require live movement as far as Sketchup is concerned. How much more can it handle? That remains to be seen. Some stats:

63,333 edges
24,100 faces
235 Component Instances (Mostly fences >.>)
255 Materials

And here's an overview of the castle now. I'm happy to say it's pretty much totally eclipsed my old version at this point, and I'm still kind of staggered by how far along it's come (and how far it has to go.)

Spoiler: Booyah (click to show/hide)

At this point I should also extend an obligatory blanket thank you to all the modelers and Sketchup artists whose models I'm using and modifying, and who I'm not going to catalog for posterity purposes. Thanks for all your hard work!
« Last Edit: June 15, 2011, 08:52:31 am by nenjin »
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Cautivo del Milagro seamos, Penitente.
Quote from: Viktor Frankl
When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.
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Its kinda silly to complain that a friendly NPC isn't a well designed boss fight.
Quote from: Eric Blank
How will I cheese now assholes?
Quote from: MrRoboto75
Always spaghetti, never forghetti
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