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[newbonomicon]

I can't wait for the implementation of cereal!

[Untelligent]

Yeah, I like the rambling.

[Naros]

Feedback:

I really enjoyed the chemistry when the three of you are all interacting.
It affects the pace and direction in a positive manner, so while I really enjoy these talks, I'd rather wait a bit longer until you guys can get your schedules all lined up.

The sound quality (echo, difference in levels for the different speakers, etc) was indeed subpar. I found it a bit bothersome at some points.

As for the mentioned rambling, on the whole that's enjoyable. There's only a few occasions where it becomes 'too much'.

And finally, subject wise I'd prefer a more indepth talk, rather than referencing different aspects and Arcs more shallowly.

Thanks! Much love,
Naros

edit: The reason I didn't mention the music, is because it's all positive. <3

[Armok]

Ok! So I just finished listening to this and I LOVE it! Wow, i'd almost forgoten how amazing these are...

@ the ongoing discussion: I love the editing and style. The combination of soothing music, tarns fantastic voice and it's oh so calm and steady pace, the causual and a bit rambling conversations... it's amazingly destressing and soothing and calming. It'd be great for meditation and stuff I think actualy.


Anywya, so i were taking notes while I were listening but I'm a bit to lazy and a bit to stressed out to actualy sort throguth all of it and checking so it's apropriate, So I'll just dump it in a spoiler for people to comen on:

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dwarven personalities being amplified relative humans actualy sounds plausible from a neurological perspective. It sounds like there's some kind of single neurological or evolutionary cause underlying all the murriad differneces. Thats a prety cool idea.

the way dwarves have things in piles around their rooms reminds of MSPA characters, both hoemstuck proper and the fan ones. Messy rooms are used to introduce a characters intrests and such, and trolls have colected piles of things that they lie in and use like a pice of furniture.A ny other MSPA fans want to coment on how this can relate to DF?

suggetion: you could set your character to emotionaly prepare for figting a specific dragoin

You could take over a pereexisting character but as long as it wasn't to complexly interwoven into the world still have some starting choices that are then retroactively applied.

word/name eating is a totaly cool idea and shuldgo in

"goblins don't get that fuzzy feeling when they help people" - but can they still be altruistic for other reasons, just they dont get the phsycological kick out of it? I guess most such things build on modern knowledge abaut game theory and stuff, but there are still things like Kin Selection!

one posibility: just alow the player to settle on stuff liek human ruins but not makeing it some special reclaiming?

is the toad pound that gave you your name still around? are there still toads there?

With the poison sustem all those toxins that shuld be evrywhere in dwarfen fortresses SHULD be in, and then just make dwarves imune to the one that makes the game less fun. Another chalenge for the human diplomat.

kelp forests

you could have maybe the kitcen make an "animal feed" item that can be used for nothing else and then the eating animals only slowly degrade it?

with all the grass problems and stuff in general, wouldt it make sense to make all eating behaviors just look at the material rather than the item type? If a bed is made of choclate dwarves shuld eat it. It'd also open up moding posibilities like cretures that eat mettal eating a dwarvs armor in battle

is the feather/downy grass liek Sea Pens? Is the worm grass like those red things in white helsl you find by deep sea vents?

hay pile fluid like sand?

worm density or somehting like that might be best traked per 16^3 block of tiles rather than map wide or per tile?

chickens need sandbathing and pecking order and stuff!! - There is a bunch that can be done with animal behavior in general really, especialy social animals like wolves hunting in packs, but also stuff like cats pushing things over or playing with them or bulls atacking peopel they hink are threthening or that thing some grazing animals do where they regurgiate food and rechecw it and whatever.

propted by the time bubble stuff: Will there ever be a (of by default) special fortres mode sub mode or somehting like that where evrything is simulated at adventure mode timezales and a year takes like forever but it makes more sense?

more stuff for causing trubble scale stuff, as in that 4 bandit gang, somehting that shuld not cause the whole town to panic but still might need regisering as there could be rumors abaut it you could listen to or as the begining of a bandit group thatd later grow bigger and do more importnants stuff. Causing truble could also be done by kids and they'd get punished for it by their parents. Kids could sneak out despite being frobiden and try to go on adventires maybe follwing adventurers.

is it posible to get just the music, in full, somehow?

[nenjin]

I like the rambling.

That said, the personality bit felt a little....light in this Talk. But it sounds like it's a big issue with huge implications (that tends to send Toady off track or stuttering, I'm sure as he internally processes all the schtuff he'd like to do), so I'm mostly satisfied, knowing we'll be moving away from satisfying happiness, and moving toward just dealing with the outcomes of personality gen vs. events.

Excited to hear about ruins. Hoping that all gets rolled into the rumor function, so it reports more rumor-like stuff and less random information about world gen personalities.

Also, bubbles.

[JohnieRWilkins]

I have to disagree with jiri, I love the rambling too. I don't want more structure, I want more rambling! Less structure would make it much easier on the hosts (esp Toady) to convey to us what they want the most in DF. Plus I think that talking about favorite stuff is much easier than talking about non-favorite stuff and provides for a more entertaining show.

If the next episode is all about adventurer sheep ranches I'll buy an mp3 player just so I can put the podcast on repeat and listen to capn's soothing voice instead of the lullaby channel while driving.

Also, I watched two of the indiana jones movies over the weekend as a coincidence before listening to the cast and I heard someone singing the indiana jones theme. That's awesome. We require more singing!

[nenjin]

The thing about the rambling for me is, without it you'd not see the big picture. Talking about one feature begets talking about other features to accomplish said feature...and a lot of devs hand wave that stuff, because it means more work. When Toady rambles, it shows he's aware of the possibilities, the problems, the necessities...all that junk, before he goes into writing it. It makes for a long talk, but it keeps me interested in DF's development.

[Eagle_eye]

no transcript this time? That's disappointing.. my speakers are broken.. 

[Mel_Vixen]

Well usally mallocks gets the trascripts doneafter 2 weeks or so. Could take more time thought.

[mallocks]

I'm working on it, but I get it the same time as you guys and it's a long'un (likely to be on the order of 16'000 words). I'll do my best.

[monk12]

Ah, DF Talk, how I love thee.




Now back to the bees!

[Sunday]

Thanks guys!

And thanks mallocks!

[Neonivek]

structure would certainly help in some areas where the ramblings become less musing and more rambling.

Especially since Toady, Cap, and Rainseeker have an incredible ability to repeat things they already said multiple times (It is starting to get pretty bad).

Though it is probably just because I am sleepy

Anyhow I don't mind the ramblings as a whole and I wouldn't like to see the tangent go.

I'll comment more when I am not so sleepy. Afterall I am probably just talking out of exhaustion.

[Toady One]

Yeah, before I tried to get the episode to mallocks early so he'd get a shot a transcribing it, but lately they've been so delayed I'm just happy to get them up at all.

[Rip0k]

Awesome Talk, Thank You guys!

...as to rambling, I wouldn't mind if We were to get "Dwarf Fortress Ramble #1", and then more and more of those, without much editing. Then maybe those recordings could reach us more often, apart of the "Talks", where specific questions are answered and therefore must to be worked on, edited and sorted out.