Again, apologies for not focusing on this game sooner. Catching up...
Pending questions for meBook and Pandar, awfully quick to go at each other's throats. Do you think it's wise to be this hasty in Vengeful?
I calls'em as I sees'em. I went after what I saw as scummy. He replied with an immediate and obvious OMGUS. It's not unwise to start pressuring people and pulling at scummy threads as soon as you see them. But the game is young; everyone's votes can easily change still. The only thing that would be unwise (regardless of alignment) is to fall for the temptation of a quick hammer on someone.
Book: Your read on Pandar is pretty well established. What is your read on everyone else?
Will be answered through the remainder of this post.
Reads on peopleOn Pandar: I maintain his initial disinterest in scumhunting and bullshit answers about RVS are not just distracted, but actually scummy. I stand by my evidence that it's not the case he is detached from RVS in general, and even when his participation is light, he knows who's asking what. His not doing so this time, and wasting time with flavour or font colours, is indicative to me of his not
caring about finding scum, because he knows who they are, but merely
appearing to care. Some other things have been noteworthy:
Book, if you were Godfather, who would you want as your Mafioso? If you were the Mafioso, who would you want as your Godfather?
Falling back into the most unimaginative RVS question ever immediately after decrying his lack of interest in RVS is obvious backpedaling to not be seen as scummy.
Hey Book, who other than me would you want for those?
Clear OMGUS, obviously born from exasperation at my suspecting/pressuring him, rather than he honestly thinking I'm scummy for answering "Pandar" when asked who I'd like as scumbuddy.
why is my hatred of RVS a terrible excuse, considering that the discussion of that very hatred allowed us to stop wasting time in RVS?
Disingenuous reply. His acting scummily does move the conversation past RVS... so it's not actually scummy because it's "for the good of the game"? Bullshit. It's still scummy. The fact that his scummy behaviour was prompted by RVS
proves that RVS is not, indeed, a waste of time, but a way to find the first threads of actual evidence from which games can progress. He knows this, and knows that we know he knows. He's just backpedaling and trying to justify his scummy play using bullshit.
Pandarsenic is the scummiest, and my vote remains on him.
On Arg: He started neutral enough, but betrayed scummy anxiety by his insistence on "what happens now?" after a couple of my questions had been answered. As I mentioned
here, his interest seemed to show preoccupation as to whether he looked as scummy as he feared, or whether he had been successful in fooling us. Also:
Book, [...] That said, your answers have been generally satisfying.
Immediately after I pointed out the above. Reads to me as "oh crap! OK, stop engaging. I'll pester Pandar instead. Book, stop looking at me!"
Book and Pandar, awfully quick to go at each other's throats. Do you think it's wise to be this hasty in Vengeful?
Suspiciously trying to question the wisdom of me targeting the scummiest player so far. Like he had an ulterior motive to distract me away from pressuring what he sees as a vulnerable position for his buddy.
Otherwise lurky, but I'm not one to cast stones at that this game. In any case,
Argembarger is the second scummiest. I don't think it's too productive to spend much effort on who's the GF and who's the Maf, just lynching a scum will be triumph enough; but from the limited evidence, Arg seems more worried about Pandar's fate than the inverse.
On Native: Has been careful and generally lurky (but see above). Other than that:
His use of
certainty to decide strategy seems somewhat suspicious. He clarified fast, which could be good, or he backpedaled fast, which could be scummy. Not sure on that yet. Then he asked Pandar to explain his case, to which Pandar replied in the laziest way possible:
I have faith in your literacy. Read my freaking posts.
Fair enough. >,>
Native just took it. Didn't press, didn't point out that Pandar's other posts didn't actually explain anything, he just took it at face value and moved on. If he was town, he would have pressed harder. He did press the point somewhat the next day, but I find his passivity in this post suspicious.
I'm leaning neutral-to-scum on Native.
On Jack: I find him careful in his posts and hard to read. I call him neutral for now for lack of a better read, but I found this bit interesting: I
asked him to come up with a couple of good questions. He didn't quite; he fell back on "what are your reads on people" and "why am I asking this". He could have done better, and his not doing so may be inexperience, lack of interest in finding scum, or not wanting to risk be seen as scummy. As I said, neutral read, but I find his lack of interest or commitment to a target suspicious.
QuestionsPandar: So, RVS is over, you say. How about you grace us with a restatement of your case on me (if you still think I'm scum), and on your second pick? Also, how certain would you have to be of your suspicions before you put someone at L-1? Before you hammer them?
Jack: Please contribute more (yeah, I know I haven't, sorry). Tell us a bit about why you haven't voted anyone yet (other than RVS), your read on Arg and Native, and your thoughts on this game format.
Arg: Please tell us more of your reads on people, clarify if you think either Pandar or I are being unwise in our play so far, and answer the last two questions I asked Pandar above.
Native: Please clarify if Pandar and I have answered your questions to your satisfaction, and tell us if you think if other players are playing in a way consistent with what you know of them from other games. Please point out the single most suspicious act you've seen from your top two picks.
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