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Операция "Ой морозь морозь" - Maintain a high operational tempo through the winter, attacking weak points as able

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Операция "Не морозь меня" - Slow things down, making a few major and considered attacks without wasting strength

4 (40%)

Total Members Voted: 10

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This whole "killing them" thing isn't working out so well. I suggest we upgrade to using nuclear weapons as our primary form of warfare. Nothing can go wrong.

[Fishbreath]

This whole "killing them" thing isn't working out so well. I suggest we upgrade to using nuclear weapons as our primary form of warfare. Nothing can go wrong.

The only major alliance we aren't at war with is the Allies, so I guess we could start that war now.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Fuck it, war with everyone. The Global Communist Revolution is at hand!

[Fishbreath]

The only problem is that we're a bit behind (by which I mean all the way behind) on nuclear tech.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There's always time to steal blueprints.

[mcclay]

OH GOD I FEEL AKWARD, WHOOPS. I would also like to return to the Far East sector if that is okay. Also is our south weak or the Germans?

[Fishbreath]

As much as I can tell that you're raring to go against the Americans, they don't have any air assets in the Far East that would warrant deploying a whole fighter corps to take on. They might not have any at all. And, since we're winning, it's obviously the Germans who are weaker in the south.

[Sheb]

So basically, you could afford to depart from the "throw conscripts at them until they drown in bodies" that was used by IRL soviets. And you still managed to run out of manpower? :p

[Zrk2]

So basically, you could afford to depart from the "throw conscripts at them until they drown in bodies" that was used by IRL soviets. And you still managed to run out of manpower? :p

Attacking is hard work.

[Fishbreath]

We did make some ill-advised attacks in the early days, and it's also worth bearing in mind that both the Wehrmacht and the Red Army were two to three times bigger when they clashed in our history than when they did for real. Attrition along the front has been pretty hefty.

[Sheb]

Still, since they can't reinforce for lack of industry this war is won. I get the feeling we're like IRL soviets after Stalingrad: we broke the Wehrmacht's back, it's only a matter of puching them back to Berlin, in the most efficient way possible. This means we must save our troops and industry, but also theirs (after all they'll soon be ours).

Which bring a question to mind: what happen to POWs? Can we hand them back to our socialists brothers after the war? If it's actually a way to save future allied manpower, we should really focus on making a few big encirclement to capture as many of them as possible, even if it makes the war a bit longer.

Also, we should start focusing at what we'll do after Germany. How strong is China? And Japan? And Britain? America is for the moment contained, and it's not in our interest to go and bring the fight where they can hurt us more easily. I'd say that once Europe (excluding Britain) is safely in our hands, we should go for India. It'll strengthen our position, help contain China (And Japan) while weakening the British Empire.

Would it be possible to make peace with the Americans?

[Fishbreath]

Still, since they can't reinforce for lack of industry this war is won. I get the feeling we're like IRL soviets after Stalingrad: we broke the Wehrmacht's back, it's only a matter of puching them back to Berlin, in the most efficient way possible. This means we must save our troops and industry, but also theirs (after all they'll soon be ours).

Well, they'll be related to ours. I'm going to puppet pretty much everyone but Turkey (which will be ours just as soon as we get down to Istanbul), since that'll be more efficient in terms of garrison troops (from all the minor powers), frontline troops (from Germany), naval forces obtained (from Italy and Germany), and shared research.

Which bring a question to mind: what happen to POWs? Can we hand them back to our socialists brothers after the war? If it's actually a way to save future allied manpower, we should really focus on making a few big encirclement to capture as many of them as possible, even if it makes the war a bit longer.

POWs are treated exactly like losses. Germany's actually doing alright on manpower-- they just haven't the industry to put any of it to use.

Also, we should start focusing at what we'll do after Germany. How strong is China? And Japan? And Britain? America is for the moment contained, and it's not in our interest to go and bring the fight where they can hurt us more easily. I'd say that once Europe (excluding Britain) is safely in our hands, we should go for India. It'll strengthen our position, help contain China (And Japan) while weakening the British Empire.

Would it be possible to make peace with the Americans?

Britain comes with France and ten or so other countries (mostly Commonwealth states). Our land army is superior to the Allied land army, probably in equipment and definitely in size and experience. Japan and China are off the table for the moment, for the same reason that the Americans aren't a particularly realistic target: too big a commitment required, too far away from everything else. Either way, we'd want at least a year and possibly two before starting a new war, both for manpower to recover and for the navy and the air force to have some time to grow.

Peace with the Americans may be a possibility. If we can evict them from mainland Russia, the warscore might tilt in our direction thanks to the ongoing series of glorious victories we seem to be winning.

[Sheb]

Damn. I tought France got annexed by Germany earlier. Well, what country will we own/puppet by the end of the war? Germany, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Hungary, Turkey, Poland, Czekoslovakia... Spain? Am I forgetting some?

Anyway, wouldn't that be enough to take over France, Norway, Sweden, and whatever else there is to take over in continental Europe? I find it weird that the za Krasniz Mir plan calls for an invasion of Alaska in 18 months, but the final onslaught on Europe in over 3 years. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep going West while we have our whole army in Europe, rather than having to mover them across the world twice? Moreover, while we've proven that we can hold the US for as long as we want in the Far East, having most of our troops moved to North America seem a bit risky. What if the Allies decide to attack? What if our puppets rebels?

Surely it is plain that our troops will be much more useful in the European theatre. There will be time enough to attack the US once our navy and air force are the world's best. In the meantime, we need to remember that we are before all a European land power. To this end, I formally ask the Politburo for a change to the za Krasniz Mir plan. I suggest a new focus on continental Europe and on trying to divide the Allies. While we're still battling Germany, effort shall be made to split the Franco-British alliance, possibly by offering the Brits a stake in liberated Persian oil or something. At the same time, we should start looking for a casus belli with France.

Once the Axis is vanquished, and after a short period of reorganization, a full land attack shall be attempted on France, Sweden and Norway, with whatever support can be mustered from our puppets. If the Alliance still holds, provision shall be made for an diversionary attack on India. Ideally, we should aim for a situation similar to that of Vladivostok: a carefully engineered killing zone where we can keep gaining easy victories with minimal investment.

I'd suggest annexing Scandinavia but puppeting France. Norway and Sweden are unlikely to have interesting blueprint anyway, and invading of the French colonies would be a pain in the ass.

Once continental Europe is under Soviet control, we can start focusing on our air force and navy, with short-term goal being winning the air war against Britain, medium-term being an invasion of Britain and the various holdings of the British Empire, and long-term being an invasion of the continental United States.

[EuchreJack]

While I'd rather not take on the Allies if they're united, I see nothing else to throw our army at. 

Long term peace is not an option.   

The plan to split up the Allies may need to be modified.  Don't the British lead the Allies?  If so, I'd assume they're permanent members of the alliance, and won't disband their alliance for a little oil.  We may have to carve everyone else out instead, jump the British, then gobble up those who abandoned Britain earlier.

[Fishbreath]

There's not really any way to break up alliances besides defeating members and signing separate pieces for them. When we attack the Allies, it's going to be all of the Allies.