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[Ultimuh]

I'll be quoting myself..

I kind of planned to have only one unit type, one which is quite powerful melee-based ground unit, infantryish type.
So how can I pull this off for balance?

So any help on this one?

[KaguroDraven]

Clawbugs are stupid, and look like giant scorpians. I'm likely rarely going to use them. I tend to skip level 2 creations in the games becouse they seem much more....bland than level 1 or 3. I'm likely going to do the same here, but the option, especially for Vlish, is nice.


Make differenct 'experience' levels for that units? In game it acts like different units, but it's actuilly the same unit but the difference from noobs to veterans.

[squeakyReaper]

Spoiler: Utility Units (click to show/hide)

Ectapi Scavengers
HP:  20
AT:  5
DF:  5
SPC:  Can spend 5 PV to Scavenge for materials in a territory I don't already own.  Returns 10 PV at the end of my next turn if they don't die.
PV:  3

A group of Ectapi who scavenge for materials.  Very weak in combat, but useful for scouting out territories and their resources.  They are armed with knives, but they are hardly useful for actual military purposes.

Ectapi Mechanics
HP:  20
AT:  5
DF:  5
SPC:  Can repair units.  Can apply a full heal for 1 PV per 20 health.
PV:  4

Ectapi aren't geniuses on their own, but they are still useful little guys.  If you tell them what's wrong with your mech...  well, you won't have that problem much longer.  Very poorly armored, as they're intended to be back-line healers.

A-0 W+Drone
HP:  50
AT:  5
DF:  20
SPC:  Can repair units.  Can apply a full heal for 1 PV per 20 health.
PV:  10

An A-0 Walker outfitted with a drone frame and equipment.  Acts as a repairing mech, when the field is too dangerous for unarmored Ectapi.  While repair work is below most Actapi, desperate times call for desperate measures.  Manned by a single Actapi.

A-10 Steam Boat
HP:  30
AT:  5
DF:  20
SPC:  Can ferry two units over water.  Can only go on water, can only be produced adjacent to water.
PV:  10

A small transportation boat used by the Actapi.  It is manned by one Actapi and 8 Ectapi.  It is used to transport small groups of their military forces, but nothing straining.  The Actapi captain usually has to constantly argue with the Ectapi to get anything to work.

Spoiler: Light Infantry (click to show/hide)

Ectapi Mob
HP:  50
AT:  15
DF:  5
SPC:  None.
PV:  4

A mob of fanatical Ectapi.  A makeshift militia, they are armed with slings, knives, swords and ineffective guns.  Still, can't hurt to have some extra reserve power!

A-0 Walker
HP:  60
AT:  20
DF:  40
SPC: None.
PV:  10

A very basic walker for the Actapi.  It is manned by one, and is roughly eight feet tall, with a large boiler on the back.  Armed with an eight-shot revolving chambergun.  Very slow.

A-10 SB+Assault
HP:  50
AT:  30
DF:  15
SPC:  Can go on water, can only be produced adjacent to water.
PV:  10

A Steam Boat outfitted for warfare instead of ferrying units.  Basically, the empty, transporty-area has been replaced by a few cannons.  Wanting an infinite ammunition source, it packs water instead of actual bullets; but a torrent of forceful water and alchemized minerals can tear up an opposing ship just as badly.

Spoiler: Heavy Infantry (click to show/hide)

A-4 Fisher Tank
HP:  200
AT:  30
DF:  60
SPC:  Must be used within a territory of the coast-line.
PV:  20

A semi-amphibious tank that is modified to take the least amount of inner-workings to use.  It is manned by a single controlling Actapi and 4 surrounding Ectapi, who keep it going.  It requires a large amount of water to keep working, and must be utilized near the coast.  Can also wade out into the water, but not too far.

B-10 Land Ship
HP:  400
AT:  40
DF: 110
SPC:  Must be used within a territory of the coast-line.
PV:  40

The backbone of the Actapi army, and essentially a large tank.  It uses an eternal flame based from alchemy and coal to fuel its movements.  The B-10 Land Ship uses an immense amount of water in its operation, and requires refuelling at least every two hours of use.  It's inefficiencies hasn't stopped it from one thing though; being a tank.  This thing will tear units up.  Manned by two Actapi and eight Ectapi.

Trying to find a balance in unit cost prices.  This still needs a lot of work, haha.  I just seem to be underpowered, so I'm buffing around the board.  Made the Land Tank like the Guardian, but a bit beefier.  Upgraded the A-0 Walker to Clawbug levels.  Make a Steam Boat that's more military-like, the A-10 SB+Assault.  Don't want to make too many units, but these cover the bases.  Also made a Fisher Tank, which is like the old Land Tank.

[KaguroDraven]

Your Tank has 10 DF more than my Guardian, the solders who know a bit of shapeing of the Shaper order. Otherwise the stats are the same.

[squeakyReaper]

Your Tank has 10 DF more than my Guardian, the solders who know a bit of shapeing of the Shaper order. Otherwise the stats are the same.

Also costs 5 PV more, and has a negative SP whereas yours can also summon things.

[KaguroDraven]

Perhaps your should cost less than it does due to the SPC.

[squeakyReaper]

Mebbe, but I'd rather over-compensate than over-compensate.  Mine can also go out into water, since the "One territory away from coastline" also applies to swimming; I can cross between the two continents, whereas yours would need a boat or something.  Very situational, but hey.

Sorry if I'm basing mine too much off of yours or being too picky.  The Shaper stuff is just really interesting since the Geneforge LP started (Thanks Aklyon!) and you have your stuff confirmed.  =)

[Ultimuh]

Well since my post was kinda ignored.. I'll just post the unit, and let you guys tell me what to change.

The Empire Of The Rising Paw
   
The Army of The Empire Of The Rising Paw consists of ground units and are mostly melee based.
They do not use war machines as most other races,
but they make up for it with their powerful electric energies stored in their bodies.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unit: Thunder Claw
Type: Melee

Thunder Claws are the Empire's only military unit.
They practice an ancient art, one which combines the martial prowess of the body and the mind's control of electricity.
They are able to channel electric powers through their bodies, enabling them to do impressive feats such as;
Producing electrical short-ranged blasts from their paws. (Electric Hadouken?)
Channeling the powers to their feet, propelling themselves to jump several feet in one direction.
This also enables themselves to speed up their movements by tenfold.
With the electrical powers, they are also able to penetrate steel with a highly precise strike.

Of course every thing has their pros and cons.
They cannot reach air based units with their blasts alone.
They are easy to kill once you manage to get through their abilities.
And lastly, they need a relatively long recharge after a fight, since they are easy to tire.


Thunderclaw
HP:  100
AT:  80
DF:  20
SPC:  Loses 30 AT per turn while fighting.  Regenerated by not fighting for a turn.
PV:  20

So if I should change something, please do tell.


edit: a few changes

[KaguroDraven]

Hey! I use no war machines! I use proper slave labor I cooked up in my own lab thank you very much! Not much is better than makeing a Battle Alpha, level 3 Battle type very strong and not too bright, and watching it rush into battle to punch things to death with it's big red fists.
Do you guys think I should include 'upgraded' versions of some of the Creations? In-games you get them when you learn how to make the creature 3 times, some are just a small difference, CryoFyoras as ice instead of fire for example, some are larger, Battle Betas being quite a bit stronger than Battle Alphas for example. The ones I really want to add are Ur-drakon, like drakons but smarter, stronger, meaner, and more likely to rebel. and the Battle Alpha line, Battle Beta and Battle Gamma.
I'm trying heavily to base my army accurate to the games as much as possible.

[squeakyReaper]

Thunderclaw
HP:  100
AT:  80
DF:  20
SPC:  Loses 30 AT per turn while fighting.  Regenerated by not fighting for a turn.
PV:  20

I think that looks good?  Possibly 10 DF, or 5 more PV?



Ninja-Edit:
Instead of fully new units, why not make /Buildings/?  They can't be moved, but can upgrade your units by spending PV on them.

[Ultimuh]

Thunderclaw
HP:  100
AT:  80
DF:  20
SPC:  Loses 30 AT per turn while fighting.  Regenerated by not fighting for a turn.
PV:  20

I think that looks good?  Possibly 10 DF, or 5 more PV?

Sure I have changed it to this.


And as I have said before, they Look like Raiden from the Mortal Kombat games.
Just larger, wider, and more fur.  (oh, don't forget claws even.)

[squeakyReaper]

Haha, just a suggestion.  As it stands, I'm the only one with War Machines.  We've got the magical thunderclaw, the biological weapons in the Shaper's creations, foot soldiers and artillery and my Actapi with their tanks and boats.  Though I guess Artillery counts?  AAM still has to post his units I think, so he might.

[Ultimuh]

Magical? Well, they are martial artists who use electric magic to power their skills. 

[Burnt Pies]

I have to get some sleep. Got some ideas in a notepad doc, but they're unfinished. be back in around 12 hours.

[KaguroDraven]

I know I'm asking alot of questions but I want my side accurate to the Geneforge games, but can I add an Intelligence Level and Risk of Rogue to Creation units? RoR is obvious, and is under the condition of not being near shapers, and Intelligence has alot to do with what they do when they go Rogue. Animals tend to attack everything, Low-human intelligence ones tend to stay alone and attack or 'speak' with intruders depending on the indevidual, they are also the easiest for Shapers to bring back to heel. High intelligence ones are the most likely to band together against Shapers, but they sometimes go to live alone, they usually speak with intruders before decideing weither to kill them or not if they live alone, these are near inpossible for Shapers to bring back to heel.

Just incase my edit wasn't seen.