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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2011, 06:36:08 am »

For parties, if it's going the wrong way, get you and your friends out of there, and just go home
do it casually, like saying you're getting tired.
As for entertainment, most people have something like an ipod dock, and play music, so just bring your ipod if it has the newish (albeit bad) songs.

For meeting new people, joining groups and such AND
Honestly, just walking up to someone and saying 'hey' go with a friend who knows them, if you're nervous (and, just them talking to you will give you and them more confidence with eachother)

Personally, last year I tried to make as many friends as possible, and that ended up being a good amount of my year level as well as lots of people from the years above and below

Once you get over the 'awkward' factor, everything becomes cool :D

AND, always smile at people on the street, if they look at you, just smile, it makes everyone happy :P DONT FOR THE LOVE OF RANDOM-NUMBERS JUST LOOK AWAY
it saddens the heart
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2011, 01:21:00 am »

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Topic I - Parties and other social activities
     * Subtopic 1 - What kind of activities qualify for a good one. Please no suggestions involving alcohol.
     * Subtopic 2 - At a social event, what should one do...
          *Sub-subtopic A - if you are to supply entertainment. What to bring? What to do?
          *Sub-subtopic B - if the party is going a direction you don't want to go. "20 highly personal questions", "Run around town like idiots", et cetera.

Topic II - Social ladders- How the hell do these work? If you're not familiar with my terminology, I'm talking about leaders and followers.
     * Subtopic 3 - What do you do about someone who always tries to be the leader?
     * Subtopic 4 - If someone is a born follower, how do you get them to voice their opinions?
     * Subtopic 5 - When leading, what do you do about others who want to lead? I'm prone to sharing leadership, but oftentimes when I do this, my co-leader starts getting very pushy.

As for the first section, cant really offer any advice, as you should do social things that you find fun, with other people who also enjoy them. So it's really up to you. Bring the party, dont have the party brought to you.

On topic two.

Social ladders is not the term i would use, thinking of people more as cliqes, or groups. Each with it's own social structure and a overlying social structure that ties them all with eachother. Examples being in highschool, you may have had goths, punks, and jocks. They where diffrent groups, some may have got along but they where all tied toghter in the social strata. But I'll use the term anyway  :P

Social Ladders: There are widely speaking domaniant and submissive personality types. A leader in a group can be someone who projects confidence, and just acts like the leader. You should try, next time you are in a group of people to project a false confidence and just start acting like a leader. It's funny how people think you know what you are doing. Also in groups of people a leader may be a dominant personality that has people to back him up. If someone stands up and says lets do this, people may go "no" or "why" or "you're an asshole" but if the same person stands up, says lets do this, and 2 other people stand up and say "yeah that's awsome lets do it" there's more of a chance the group will follow.



3. I'm not sure about the intent on this question, do you mean how to push back agianst a "leader" who you may dissagree with? or how to handle people who have to be the leader? If you have to take someone down a notch, I find that humor is the best way to do it. Hands down. You can confront them, or argue with them, but making a joke that is funny, while making them seem slightly stupid will gain you power in the eyes of a group. Also, having freinds to back you up always helps in any situation like this.

4. That's something that really they have to work on themselves. you can give them advice, talk with them about it, and encourage them to share. but if they dont want to it's unconfortable for them. Give advice, and support+engage them when they do share.

5. Sharing leadership can be tricky, if you are sharing with a good friend you can always talk it out, and often that is the best way to do it. However if it is someone who you may not get along with/not feel comfortable confronting in such a way. It's important that you establish the relationship as partners. They may be testing, trying to take power. Sometimes pushing back slightly can make them understand that you are equals in this. Also in any situation where you are leading a group, the real power lies in the group. So you dont really have to deal with your "co-leader" but instead persuade everyone else.

As a final note, i like what you said about dancing down a hallway, and how nobody cares. Often the most akward people care about what others think the most. And the popular duchebags don't care at all what people think. So It's good to find a balance. If you can really not care what others think of you, than you are all set. Next time you find yourself worrying or nervous about a social situation. Stop caring about it, and you will either burn out wonderfully or it will be just fine.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2011, 02:22:28 pm »

How are things going?
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2011, 01:36:10 am »

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*Sub-subtopic B - if the party is going a direction you don't want to go. "20 highly personal questions", "Run around town like idiots", et cetera.

Then it sounds like its time to move to the after-party. Kick everyone else out that doesn't meet what you want from the afterparty. If you didn't get enough people, kick everyone out. That sounds like people shifting into afterparty mode anyways, and they will end up finding somewhere else to go to have it if not your place, usually leaving in groups. If you're concerned about them not enjoying themselves because your kicking them out, volunteer someone to host the after party to which you won't be going. They probably won't end up hosting it, but it will get passed eventually to someone who wants to :P
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2011, 01:38:02 pm »

Nothing to see here.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2011, 08:49:47 pm by Barbarossa TSG »
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2011, 02:49:23 pm »

Nothing to see here.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2011, 08:49:52 pm by Barbarossa TSG »
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2011, 05:32:14 pm »

You could always do what I did, and work on wearing brighter colors/being difficult to be around.  If you're utterly focused on being part of the group, you won't be noticed as an individual.  So, cultivate your individualism.  Got weird habits?  Run with them.  Exaggerate occasionally.  Get in arguments when you think an argument is necessary.  Don't be afraid of disagreeing or making jokes which no one else understands.  Occasionally, you'll find people who do get them, and it will be easier to make friends.

I think this can lead to one of two things: being a total asshole, or being completely unforgettable.  However you do it is up to you, and I suppose it also depends on personal circumstances and other morality.

In any case, I can't tell you anything about how you should execute the plan, but, simply speaking:

Cultivate individualism.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2011, 11:19:19 pm »

Got weird habits?  Run with them.  Exaggerate occasionally.  Get in arguments when you think an argument is necessary.  Don't be afraid of disagreeing or making jokes which no one else understands.

I think this can lead to one of two things: being a total asshole, or being completely unforgettable.  However you do it is up to you, and I suppose it also depends on personal circumstances and other morality.

The first bit, I very much agree with. If you just seem like a member of the group, and not an individual, you will, almost by definition, be forgotten. I've known a couple of people who've fallen into this rather unfortunate state. Vector gives good advice, too - be yourself, get your voice heard from time to time (obviously not ALL the time, but that doesn't seem to be the problem for you, so just project yourself as much as you can.)

If you do all this "correctly", however - you will not be an asshole or completely unforgettable (and sometimes I find it is better to be able to slink away under the desk.) No-one will forget to bring you food, anyway.  :o
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2011, 11:23:35 pm »

If you do all this "correctly", however - you will not be an asshole or completely unforgettable (and sometimes I find it is better to be able to slink away under the desk.) No-one will forget to bring you food, anyway.  :o

Hurph, my apologies.  I think I was thinking of this more as a sort of... sliding triangle, with "jerk" at one point, "weirdo" at another point, and "no one remembers you" at the third.  If you're non-individualistic no one will notice if you're a jerk or a weirdo, so there's only one point over there.  Then you can get more towards one direction or another based on personal preference.

Hope that makes more sense.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2011, 11:30:54 pm »

Nothing to see here.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2011, 11:35:47 pm »

Ahhh, that makes sense. I'd say that's quite an accurate assessment of one's most basic social "description"  - you have to find the balance between blandness, attention - seeking and strangeness, or if you'd like to be more positive, acceptability, confidence, and uniqueness, that you prefer.  :)

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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2011, 12:14:03 am »

Nothing to see here.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2011, 12:19:49 am »

Bring two handkerchiefs.  This is rule number one, which I learned due to my ex not remembering a handkerchief of his own and getting bloody noses all over the place.  Bring two goddamned handkerchiefs.  One for you, one for her, because it will make you more of a gentleman.

Wear dark socks.

Modern dancing isn't that hard.  You'll figure out as you go along.  Just don't put your hands too low for any close-dances, because that's stupid.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2011, 12:32:58 am »

Nothing to see here.
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Re: Phase 2: The Art of Friendship
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2011, 09:32:49 am »

Try not to think of it too much like a set formula - there aren't really 'protocols' and much 'etiquette' at a high school prom. If you overthink it it's more likely to go wrong. I'd say just go, talk about things you think you'll have a mutual interest in, enjoy the 'death glares' as they are purely jealousy. Surely being there with a popular girl will give you some confidence :]

Just try and have fun - if you two have anything in common conversation will be easy enough.

If she's going with you she's not out of your league ;)
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