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[Askot Bokbondeler]

eh, twas just one lousy zero! and i don't get what you're trying to say with elves and forests...

[Stone Wera]

Or make them carnivorous.

I was thinking of that, too. Make them predators.

[Sheb]

Makes sense. Especially for HUNTER-gatherer.

[PTTG??]

I'd think that herbalists would be pretty important for a hunter-GATHERER settlement.

[Stone Wera]

I'd think that herbalists would be pretty important for a hunter-GATHERER settlement.

Makes sense. Especially for HUNTER-gatherer.

Yes, herbalism and hunting. Make those especially important.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

what use is PLANT gathering for a CARNIVOROUS species?

[Stone Wera]

what use is PLANT gathering for a CARNIVOROUS species?

They don't have to be exclusively carnivorous. Although I'm not sure if there's a way to make them predators and omnivorous. But the research is up to the modder, all we do is sit in front of our computers until he gets something right or sends things into a state of such disrepair that the project is abandoned... That is unless we actually help him, but what are the odds of that?

[Askot Bokbondeler]

what do you want to make them predators for?

[Stone Wera]

what do you want to make them predators for?

So they'll be more inclined to  hunt of course.

[Sheb]

And won't have to have farms.

[Jordan~]

remember we're talking about 5000bc britain, just because it was used in the middle east by 80000bc doesn't mean it fits here

It kind of does. There's evidence of domesticated plant species developed in the Middle East being exploited in Germany and Spain in 5000 BCE; the chances are that it had spread to Britain around the same time, given the evidence that widespread trade networks existed in Europe since the Palaeolithic. I don't think there's widespread agreement on whether or not it was cultivated, but it almost certainly existed as a wild plant and its growth was probably encouraged by hunter-gathering communities, in much the same way as the domesticated strains were first developed in the Middle East.
The chances are that by 5000 BCE, the transition to agriculture was underway, but by no means complete - probably just starting out. Nonetheless, the inclusion of some sort of farming makes sense, but I'm not sure how you could realistically limit it - isn't there an adjustable cap for the number of seeds that can exist per plant at once? If I'm not just making that up, you could keep farming realistically limited by setting it at something very low like 5 or 10.

[SirAaronIII]

It kind of does. There's evidence of domesticated plant species developed in the Middle East being exploited in Germany and Spain in 5000 BCE; the chances are that it had spread to Britain around the same time, given the evidence that widespread trade networks existed in Europe since the Palaeolithic. I don't think there's widespread agreement on whether or not it was cultivated, but it almost certainly existed as a wild plant and its growth was probably encouraged by hunter-gathering communities, in much the same way as the domesticated strains were first developed in the Middle East.
The chances are that by 5000 BCE, the transition to agriculture was underway, but by no means complete - probably just starting out. Nonetheless, the inclusion of some sort of farming makes sense, but I'm not sure how you could realistically limit it - isn't there an adjustable cap for the number of seeds that can exist per plant at once? If I'm not just making that up, you could keep farming realistically limited by setting it at something very low like 5 or 10.

I think he was talking about adobe fortresses, but I could be wrong. Also, what's "it" in your post? I know it's a plant, but which plant specifically? Sorry if that was kind of a dumb question.

[PTTG??]

I think it was agriculture in general...

[Jordan~]

The dates I'm using are for wheat, which was the earliest. Other crops might have been a little later in arriving in the north west of Europe. And oh - point stands anyway!
As far as adobe is concerned, I think mudbricks and stuff like that never caught on in northern Europe. They were convenient in Mesopotamia because you could just leave them out in the sun to dry. I don't think they dry so well in the rain under a thick layer of stratus clouds, though...
The time frame is probably wrong, anyway, since they were only used in Crete from the Neolithic and Crete was quite a bit ahead of the rest of Europe at the time. Adzes attest to woodworking, so wood is probably the best building material. Thatch may have been used for roofs - it's hard to tell, since it's so perishable.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

my coment wasn't directed specifically at agriculture or adobe bricks, but to the people making suggestions in general...
about thatching, i think that might only be an option when you have a large amount of straw provided by somewhat advanced agriculture...

also, britains case is a little different from germany and the rest of europe, given that they are separate from europe by sea, it's easy to imagine they might have taken a bit longer to catch up with europe's technology level. i haven't made any research and the choice of "8000" and "middle east" was purely coincidental and cosen as an example, but i'm assuming the modder made his research before deciding that agriculture was out of the picture in britain in 5000bc, so i'm standing by him