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[HungryHobo]

hmmm....
It's possible to make dwarves immune to a particular poison isn't it?
just change the bee poison to make it really nasty(necrosis, paralysis, the whole hog) then use the above mentioned caged bees as the ultimate weapon.

imagine: a battlefield, dwarves fighting a horde of goblins and elves. dotted around the battlefield are cages.... suddenly they all open and swarms of stinging insects engulf the armies.

also; can bees be butchered once in a cage?

[agatharchides]

I know nothing about modding, but bees are vermin and I am pretty sure they can't be butchered.

[ikkonoishi]

I would like to note that 10k bees weigh 99. Since DF measures in kilograms basically that means that a hive of bees weighs over 200 pounds.

[Malibu Stacey]

Hmm, I wonder if pet value is on a caste level... I would hate to use an exploit, but I would hate to miss out of beeeeeeeeeeees, so maybe if I mod all workers to have 0 pet value, and upp the value of queens to compensate, the value of a hive would bee more predictable.

Doesn't work. See http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3992

[Misterstone]

I am guessing this problem will solve itself once the value of things is more realistically modeled as part of the caravan arc.

[Quietust]

I actually did some syndrome testing a while ago, and extreme levels of swelling will also cause necrosis (and extreme levels of numbness will cause sensory nerve damage) - thus, being stung by thousands of bees could very well be lethal.

[Buttery_Mess]

I wonder if a building destroyer destroying a nest will provoke the bees' anger?

[Malibu Stacey]

I am guessing this problem will solve itself once the value of things is more realistically modeled as part of the caravan arc.

The root of the problem is that without a PETVALUE assigned in the raws, the game defaults to 1. Every bee in your beehives are counted as property of your fortress. Thus every single bee counts as a pet with a value of 1 making each hive easily worth 10k. As testing on that Mantis issues shows, you cannot set PETVALUE to 0.
The correct way to code it would be to default PETVALUE to 0 then assign it manually in the raws for each animal type. It's not going to solve itself as it can't be fixed in the raws at present.

[ikkonoishi]

Played around, and discovered that if your beekeeper gets frozen in place you can fix it by ordering the hive he is working with unbuilt. Once he starts moving you can cancel it.

[EvilTwin]

this just happened in my fort:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

they seem to work on a random thingie just like cave spiders... that goose was frozen on a beehive for some reason

[Girlinhat]

Bees do seem to sting when they want to, so putting your hives away from high traffic should be advised.

[LemonFrosted]

Yes, a bee is generally considered a bug.
...Wait, that wasn't your question.

Actually, no, only insects of the order hemiptera are considered true bugs, though some would further restrict that name to the sub-order heteroptera.  Bees, wasps and ants all belong to the order hymenoptera, which is quite separate.

For those who have forgotten their Latin, hemiptera means "half wing", heteroptera means "different wing" and hymenoptera means "membrane wing."  Once you realize that the "ptera" part is from "pteron", which means wing, you can learn a few things you might not know about some other Latin-derived English words.  In other words, yeah, the name of that other thing is just "membrane".

This concludes your daily dose of pedantry and entomology.

Entomological etymology?

[Flaede]

Someone on the "what's new in .19" announced t hat they got bees to make furniture. I think wax coins should work for money-bees, yeah?

[Girlinhat]

Actually, his method was a lot more broad than he gave himself credit for.  In his modding, he made the hive produce something specific.  In this case, was furniture.  More broadly, you could produce iron bars from behives, or featherwood beds, or adamantine beds!

[Flaede]

Actually, his method was a lot more broad than he gave himself credit for.  In his modding, he made the hive produce something specific.  In this case, was furniture.  More broadly, you could produce iron bars from behives, or featherwood beds, or adamantine beds!

Pfft. Wax Mannequins! Statues! Mme Tosid's Museum.