Well i finished only one game,and there's BM XX going on so i don't have much experience, but i got few harsh lessons from them ;p
First of all, lurkers are a serious problem,and i mean SERIOUS, that's annoying as hell when you have nothing to say about certain person only because he doesn't post not because he plays good... Also claiming town and abusing exclamation marks is certain way to get lynched 
This strikes me as an attempt to gain favour by posing yourself to be insightful.
Not to mention that you're quite hypocritical; you've done your fair share of lurking, and your participation in scumhunting seems to be minor.
SaintDraze, that's a horrible attitude.
You keep pressing your case even if you know you are going to die, so as someone else can pick up on it.
Supercharazad that's the most scummy thing i heard since the day start. What should he do other than pressing on his target ? Maybe attack someone else who you feel should be attacked ? Any excuse or clarification ?
SaintDraze How the hell not voting you is scummy ? You admit you're scum ? Or you say you're intentionally make us vote for you ?
A heated attack because of an innocent comment. Why did you lash out so quickly?
You're scum, indecisive and looking for a target to attack. In this post, you've tried to attack Supercharazard - but you were too eager and too quick, and the only thing you've done is expose your filthy underbelly.
Jim,Lordnincompoop : Well,i wouldn't call it fascination,but i feel that asking for NK beforehand is better than WIFoming afterwards,also to be clear i asked about it only twice, that's not that much. Also i still have no idea what question is good one for D1 - we got no solid information at this point so i try catch as many inconsistencies as i can and ask about them, and by accident ( or not ) super "plan" was highly dependent on NK so asking about it seemed natural.
Well, not too much activity = town fail so i hope other post soon 
Suddenly, you're acting very defensive. Did Jim's piercing question unnerve you?
I can see you're repeating yourself throughout the post, and a general nervous/defensive tone; a very unusual reaction to a comment. This is further aided by the responses you have made below:
'Sup scum.
Why'd you feel the need to respond to my idle remark about you and your fascination with the nightkill? I would've been perfectly content if you had let it pass. But, you didn't and now I'm interested and very curious.
Lordnincompoop: Well it's hard to say if it's another of their towny foolishness or maybe something else. Both of them got pretty emotional to something that started as RVS but , well you know how similar it was previous game :\ If i had to choose one of them to lynch i would say that supercharazad is more suspicious, he acts if he really wanted to get his attack on apparently not so easy target - without concentrating on why he attacks him, he just do it (not even attacks him for what he says - just like he thought of this beforehand) ? SaintDraze in my opinion just go on with the flow without real goal in mind (not that it's a good thing ;p), even if he stated he wants to provoke super it just looked like very bad idea for scumhunt. Both acted scummy though so it's arguable who is more likely to be one.
As I recall, you're voting for Akivara. So if you think Supercharazad is more suspicious why is your vote where it is?
a) There was nothing happening and post that answer question (that was asked twice) is better than null post don't you think ? Unless you want to hear who likes pie more or some wifom ? That would be good for you as a scum, right ?
b)I meant who of these two is more suspicious - not who i find most scummy. Also if akivara don't post explaination changing vote would be without real purpose - the border between normal and scummy behavior in super and saint case is blurry enough to not vote on only "scum feel" on one of them. Unless you want me to vote them since you know neither of them is scum ?
Here, I see that same nervous, defensive styling.
If you think you're going to end up writing a null post, do some investigation or ask some questions. This is not an excuse, scum.
You're breaching into WIFOM territory here, a sign that you're getting nervous and disorganised. Yet another bad reaction, and a hint as to your true nature.
Well i am interested in nightkill,i fail to see what's scummy in that. We should leave all possible questions about them ? I don't see any reason in that, also you mix my answer and NK questions in one assault. I never said that i asked about NK because nothing else was going on,that was about your "respond to idle remark". Rushing to defense : well if someone calls me scum for no apparent reason i try to prove them wrong, isn't that what's that game is about ? Or should i ignore all your attacks ? Also "testing you reaction" is not necessary, it could be used in any situation to excuse inconvenient question or answer.
Well,i have to reread the thread since Akivara was replaced. I'm sure voting Ottofar before he speaks out isn't right thing to do so :Unvote
Dodging questions and poor replies. You're making up all sorts of unnecessary excuses and defenses for yourself, and they seem largely disorganised. It really does seem he touched a nerve, and you're just slipping up more and more.
Second place is supercharazad so few questions for him :
while Saint and Super duke it out in a pissing match.
How? Explain please.
I voted SaintDraze for:
He was excited when you did not see me vote you, before I did (Realised he made a mistake, thought he was off the hook)
He totally gave up (scumtell in the scumtell list, in the OP)
He randomly insults me, to get me angry, so I'll make mistakes (he stopped... right after I told him it wasn't working -.-)
Also:
Japa: What were YOUR reasons for voting SaintDraze?
LordNincompoop: What were YOUR reasons for voting SaintDraze?
Why you search for more evidence to attack SaintDraze (that's how i understand last two questions) ? Or you want to undermine other's faith in their votes - that should be done by evidence not like that. How fact that he stopped insulting you is scumtell ?
Why are you trying to stifle investigation and discussion? Any attempt to do so can only be considered scummy, as town benefits from any and all discussion.
The second bit is just pure WIFOM. I keep noticing that in your posts; bits of it spread everywhere. Bad arguments, bad invesitagation. As scum, you're finding yourself unable to make an good attacks, so you fall back on wine.
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If you are interested in the nightkill then why are you interested? You've heard my theory.
Theory that is what ? Asking "innocent" questions ? You want me to ask "Are you a cop so i could kill you tonight ?" or something like that ? I still don't know what's wrong with asking about NK it's important part of the game isn't it ? So why i should not ask about it ? I could answer with your own words :And the hell testing reactions (asking questions) isn't necessary. It's another tool in the scumhunting tool belt. I used it on you, and I got results.
Asking for NK is one of possible questions so i just asked it without any plan to get expected answer - just to look into it for scumminess.
More defensiveness, and you're beating around the bush with that question. Why didn't you simply answer the question straight on, instead of converting it into some poorly-formulated counter-attack?
You're scum finding himself unable to give reasons for the actions he's doing. There is no reason for you to dodge that question, and doing so only goes to show that you do not have an answer.
Also, I said I suspected you for your talk about the night kill. I never said I thought you were scum, until you decided to defend yourself from me stating I was suspicious of you. Everybody does suspicious things, but that doesn't mean they're scum.
So who do you call scum ? People who you found no evidence on ? Or people who attack you or your partner ? How else then you find who is scum other than searching for suspicious actions ?
You're firing back with a question of little importance or relevance, and you've failed to defend yourself regarding your emotions. You're defending yourself against attack that are not there, and fighting back against pressure that does not exist. Where did this sudden heat come from? Why weren't you this aggressive earlier, in D1?
A sudden change of behaviour, from lurker to attacker. Very suspicious.
That's what he should be doing, no? He should be finding compelling arguments against his scum target and trying to convince the rest of the town that his target is scum. The problem is that he doesn't have compelling arguments. Why do you have a problem with him trying?
That's not that he tries bothers me , but the fact that asking these questions to people who vote on him could mean only one of two things :
a)He needs more arguments on SaintDraze , but he shouldn't ask other to find it for him - his attack is baseless if he don't have anything to support it with.
b)He wants to change others votes - that's nothing wrong - but again he should do it himself! In this situation it's bad looking version of : "Your vote doesn't suite me : change it please, i don't like being voted" - no convincing arguments,no pointing out errors , he essentially tells them to find defense for him!
I'm not voting because i feel Ottofar should say something before i vote him - my reason's why i voted him are still same as before since he not answered to them he is still my prime suspect, but voting now that he's replaced feels weird to me before he speaks out.
I say, you're not making that many points for your pick either, or making much of an attack. Your aggressiveness should be directed at scum and investigation, yet you sit here and defend yourself constantly.
Ugh, more passivity. If he is your prime suspect, then you should not be hesitating. You're making up excuses for not being functional town and doing it badly too.
Are the wild accusations supposed to scare me? Drop it. Right now. It's not helping your case at all. And if you want to say that I'm scum, maybe you should work my name into your list of suspicions. Actually, don't, that's me laying a trap for you. If you did I would accuse you of being defensive and suspecting the people who are attacking you for that reason alone.
My point was this: people will say they suspect you all the time. Unless they ask you a question about it, or they decide to vote you for it, you should let it pass. You have more important things to do than defend yourself from every little bit of suspicion.
The problem with what you did is that you rushed to defend yourself from the little bit of suspicion I laid out. You should have, instead, used the time to go find scum. It makes you look like you're interested in keeping yourself alive over finding scum, which is a very scummy attitude.
That wasn't meant to be aggressive - that part just made as much sense as saying that scummy behavior is not scummy. I agree that i should go after someone i targeted instead of arguing over that but if they not responding i don't see anything wrong with clearing doubts about my play. Also "if you vote me - you're scum" is funny way of telling that you're not really interested in my vote.
Unaggressive my ass. You were clearly emotional, and no amount of excuses and spin doctoring is going to cover that up.
Okay.
You have no reasons for your top pick.
You have many reasons for your second pick.
You are not voting your top pick.
There's your mess of contradictions.
Well first of all voting super at this point would end up with no-lynch situation and i'm not sure starting it is a good idea.I probably won't post before day end again so i couldn't change me vote even if i want to. Also as i said before i'm still waiting for Ottofar to say something more. Besides than i'm not really convinced that i should vote Supercharazad over SaintDraze - both of them acted scummy and i'm still not sure which one is more convincing/scummy/inconsistent. Also in the case of Supercharazad scummy behavior: i feel like lots of these by super/saint are less important than few scumtells done by others - they just play like that :\
More waffling and indecision. Where did all that energy go? Why are you being such a useless town?
At least mention the reasons you have for Ottofar. Oh wait, you don't have any, do you? Why else would you keep ignoring question after question regarding your reasons?
Well ,looks like super was just bad player :|
Toaster: It's simple SaintDraze is now more scummy than D1 so if he won't contribute anything useful soon, he is now my target no 1 right now. As for other picks look below.
SaintDraze Why you're asking how to make more WIFOMy speculations ? You want it ,don't you ? Also you admit that you stopped scumhunting because of votes on you ? That's scummy defense and only adds to my suspicions. What do you think about super play now ? What do you think of painiac ?
Painiac :Well you're most vague about your suspitcions yesterday,somehow after each attack on SaintDraze after his scummy posts you made excuses for him,blaming newbieness or diminishing his uselessnes, and suddenly when he become main lynching candidate you changed your vote for supercharazad. That's my overwiew on your vague play so tell me what do you think of SaintDraze now?
What are your reasons for the St.D pick, then? you haven't mentioned any of those, just like you neglected to mention your reasons for Ottofar. You're taking refuge in mindless bangwagonning, in the hopes that it will provide you with some reasons instead of making them yourself.
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