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[Girlinhat]

My soldier seems to have trouble using spears.  She keeps striking with it, instead of stabbing.  She is, as I type this, wailing on a blind cave ogre with her spear, bruising him all over.  She was only able to do this after the ogre because exhausted wailing on her.

Do shields stop spear usage?

[Girlinhat]

Oh, haha, somehow the spear got forbidden... no idea how that happened!

[Girlinhat]

Ok, can confirm now, soldiers cannot equip a spear and a shield, and will prefer the shield instead, leaving them unarmed but able to batter the enemy.

[arzzult]

Odd, if you dwarf is at least size 47,500 (average adult size is 60,000) it should be able to use a spear and shield at the same time since that the minimum size to use a spear one handed. You might have a small dwarf though, check the dwarf's description for things like "short" or "incredibly skinny".

[Girlinhat]

"She has a thin frame but is loaded with muscle and layers of fat", plus she's able to use the shield with one hand already.  I should have specified, that I had two shields equipped, and when the second one was added, the spear was removed.  My bad on clarification.

[Lamphare]

i constantly have dwarves killing ambushes with shields.
well, they killed more with weapons, but shield seemed quite prominent among them, considering it's just shield.

edit: two shields:great coverage, dwarfy, and lethal.lol

[Girlinhat]

Not as lethal as a blade.  My commander fought a blind cave ogre, and the ogre managed to escape because she couldn't bring the damn thing down!  Bruised and abused, but still off the map edge.

[Lamphare]

i train my soldiers super strong, with things like manual pumps and so.
and then some custom workshop come along with the mod i play, genesis, to train shield use, as an alternative to danger room, which is somewhat an abuse to game mechanics.
and i equip my dwarf with metal shields, eventually red steel, a better version of steel basically.

yeah i witness many fractures of enemy bones.

[Girlinhat]

I'm thinking about modding shields a bit, to give them a modest blunt attack.  Not a good one, understandably, since they're made for steel with me, but hopefully better than a "strike" attack.

Will this train shield user or hammer?

[Lamphare]

afaik shield user is raised normally when using a shield to block an attack.
so bashing it, no. according to the wiki, shield attack is considered using miscellaneous object user skill.

but well, a *spiked round shield* with proper attack type is cool, with actually the spike smashing and denting a goblin's face.

[krenshala]

Ok, can confirm now, soldiers cannot equip a spear and a shield, and will prefer the shield instead, leaving them unarmed but able to batter the enemy.

I can confirm that dwarven soldiers most assuredly can use both a spear and shield at the same time.  I have four so equipped now, that just repelled a goblin ambush (I think the post I read a couple days ago is right ... the elves bring them).  I also have four equipped with shield and training spear (which, btw, makes killing stuff nigh impossible, but does allow them to gain experience in spear  ).

[Girlinhat]

You'll notice I corrected this post, it's TWO shields and a spear, that seems to cause trouble.

[krenshala]

You'll notice I corrected this post, it's TWO shields and a spear, that seems to cause trouble.

Ah, no, I hadn't.  I haven't run into that issue before.  I do know, however, that my speardwarves will occasionally shield bash while dicing goblin livers and lungs.

[dennislp3]

I would imagine so...unless you have 3 armed dwarves?

[Flaede]

I would imagine so...unless you have 3 armed dwarves?

...now i want 3 armed dwarves.