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Ignosius

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Dwarf using wrong bolts
« on: February 12, 2011, 01:38:29 pm »

I actually managed to get my marksdwarf to train properly, but whenever he does, he's using the wrong bolts for training.

I've set up the ammunition in the military screen as bone bolts for training and bronze bolts for combat, but he continuously wastes all of my bronze bolts on the archery target.

I'd rather not turn off all bolts but bone, since then he wouldn't be using the right type when he needs to defend the fortress. Is there a way to get him training properly?
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Re: Dwarf using wrong bolts
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 01:49:08 pm »

I actually managed to get my marksdwarf to train properly, but whenever he does, he's using the wrong bolts for training.

I've set up the ammunition in the military screen as bone bolts for training and bronze bolts for combat, but he continuously wastes all of my bronze bolts on the archery target.

I'd rather not turn off all bolts but bone, since then he wouldn't be using the right type when he needs to defend the fortress. Is there a way to get him training properly?

You cannot set bolts for combat, the C stands for carry, and if they carry bolts they will use them

DISCLAIMER: I know this because if people on this forum claiming it not because of any real experience :P
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Ignosius

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Re: Dwarf using wrong bolts
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 01:53:36 pm »

On the military screen, it says C: Use in combat and T: Use in training.

Is that just totally wrong, and it really means carrying?

Edit: I'm in 31.18, if that helps.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 01:55:08 pm by Ignosius »
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Re: Dwarf using wrong bolts
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 06:02:18 pm »

On the military screen, it says C: Use in combat and T: Use in training.

Is that just totally wrong, and it really means carrying?

Edit: I'm in 31.18, if that helps.

You're right - it's just bugged.  When they go to shoot they don't selectively take ammo from their quiver, they just shoot whatever's in it until it's empty before going to restock.  However if they're carrying -only- bolts marked for training, they won't shoot them at all in combat and will instead melee even though they have ammo on them, marked for training.  Really all you can do is only assign them the ammo you want them to use at the time, one at a time.  It involves a lot of micromanagement when you want to activate them for real.  Even then they'll empty whatever bronze they have in their quiver on the archery target before picking up training ammo.
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Ignosius

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Re: Dwarf using wrong bolts
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 06:49:51 pm »

Well that's annoying. Fortunately I have quite the surplus of bronze, so I'll just leave him using those.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Dwarf using wrong bolts
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 09:45:37 pm »

 You can always delete a allocation of bolts, i.e bronze bolts, then reassign some wood ones for training. Then when they decide to practice archery, they will still use up the bolts remaining in the quiver, but start back to training with the wooden ones you newly allocated.
 Rutilant is quite correct, but the only times they will restock their quiver after target practice, is when its both C and T. If its T, they will practice, after putting bolts in the quiver, use them, then go about their merry way, without a  stocked quiver, and not restock. Why the Carry term is used, if designated for Combat, is that they will always carry a full quiver. Very nice for a dwarf on guard duty or patrol. The bug that messes up your supply of good bolts, is since dwarves are too lazy to exchange training bolts, for combat bolts at practice, is that The Great Toady decreed, that they use what ever is in their quiver, and try to restock with the most valuable bolts they can lay their greedy little hands on, ignoring the C only designation.

 Here is a good way to manage your bolts(Using a squad of 2 marksdwarves):
1. Produce about 200 wood/bone bolts for training(T), allocate 100 on ammo , on military screen.
2. Let them go happily fire of the bolts at the archery target. When they use up the 200 you made, they will go do the individual training, if under the Inactive schedule, at the archery target.
3. In the meanwhile, collect/forge  a supply of bolts for combat(100).
4. Set you up an alert for Seige,or any other emergency, to send your civilians scurrying for cover. Make another,to ready your soldiers(Set up a station spots for both melee and archers*. Allows them to gather equip, and bolts. Then set up the last alert, for combat positions for the squads.
5.* When you activate the Ready alert, for the archer squads, from the squad menu, go to the ammo screen, delete the practice bolt allotment(T), and add a new allotment of combat bolts(C). I usually set the amount as 100. With having no bolts in the quiver, when you allocate the 100 combat bolts, they will hurry to the ammo bin, to stock up. Another good reason for Ready alert. Then when you activate the Combat alert, all can go to their fighting positions, fully armed, and armored.
6. To fully take advantage of the alerts, once you create one, go to the military schedule screen, will have access to another schedule screen besides Active, or Inactive, named after the alerts you create.
For each month of that alert, for each squad, give a order of minimum to show, and what action you want them to perform,i.e Station,Defend burrow, patrol. Copy, then paste this order for every month under that alert, for each squad during it.
7. An alert takes priority over whatever the dwarves are during, if assigned to either Active training, or Inactive. Just go to the squad screen, highlight the squad, then assign them the alert.(Think its the T key, to scroll through orders). Once the danger is over, I unassign the dwarves the combat bolts, assign them training bolts, and move the duty from alert to whatever they were doing, on the squad screen. Like it has been said, they will use whatever is left in the quiver, but will not use up all the good bolts you have
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Re: Dwarf using wrong bolts
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 12:52:50 pm »

Hmm?Training squad, a squad just for training marksdwarves, assign that squad bone bolts?
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