Spore Spreader here.
I really don't like this either. Claiming "if you lynch me you're in trouble" at LYLO is awful scummy. I wish someone had some information to prove or disprove it. If you really were a SS, you'd have been more jestery throughout the game, instead of just lurky/scummy. I think you are scum, but I have no data to prove it.
And you're also trying to extend solely to get Leafsnail back. Yet if you were a townie, you wouldn't want Leafsnail back. Simple logic dictates that at 8p with 4 scum, if everyone's here, the town won't be able to lynch the scum. Even disregarding that, why do you care if Leafsnail gets back on and posts? The extension only aids Leafsnail. You say "it must be Pand or Leaf", that's a strong indication you suspect him. [...] Object to extension, Shorten. Half the players in the game are scum. If we don't give Leafsnail a chance to vote, that means at least the town's got a vote advantage over the scum and we can correctly hit the scum. If we let Leafsnail vote, that means we'll be unable to get a vote over on the scum and are unable to win. It all comes crashing down if Leafsnail is town, of course, but then again, if Leafsnail's town and we wait, we're just as screwed as if we shove Leafsnail out of the way and vote without waiting. But if Leafsnail is scum, we're only screwed if we wait. So let's assume Leafsnail is scum and not wait because it's our ONLY CHANCE to lynch scum here.
This is disgraceful. Leaf is back now, so the point is moot, but I in principle object to lynching anyone unheard, regardless of their alignment. Your arguments are bunk, and your attempt to quicklynch an absent player is cowardly and dishonourable.
So... Book's first night action is clearly a scum one (finding out the role of someone you don't suspect?), and he didn't bother to claim his second night's. Great. I don't really see any point in trying to lynch people today, but he needs to at least complete his claim if he wants a chance to not die tonight.
No Lynch. Hey, don't let me stop you from outing yourself, Book. You decided not to bother to claim, and voted me because I said I would kill you for not claiming. Noted.
So, I claimed, but didn't bother to claim? My first night action is clearly a scummy one? Bullshit. I claimed as soon as the claiming got going, and I held my N2 to see if anyone claimed the block. For my N1 action, I targeted a good player on whom I had no reads to see if I could ascertain anything about his alignment. Had it been "kill" or "survive", I'd have been more suspicious of him. You may call it scummy, but I think it's sound reasoning and I stand by it.
And if you want to kill me tonight for whatever bullshit reasons you come up with, knock yourself out. Certainly better to lose a lowly telepath than a more useful role. But I think you'll hang today. Your killing of Jokerman is unjustifiable and clearly the work of a scum.
NativeForeigner's 100% scum, because night 1 ended pretty quickly, in less than 48 hours. I don't think Mephansteras would end the night early unless he's got actions from everyone. NativeForeigner was probably performing a different action.
I don't follow this reasoning. Care to elaborate? Also, the tracking devices are (unless I'm mistaken) targeted during the
day, not night, so if he didn't send them in by day end, he would have no night actions to send, and no tracking data for N1. Feel free to blame that on me for "shortening" the day D1.
There's so much WIFOM to be gained from scum enchanter preventing a mislynch...
Dariush actually has a good point here. It probably wasn't even intentional. I certainly suspected Jokerman-EXE for the nolynch.
No, I don't buy that in the slightest. OK, maybe the unintentional thing is possible, but even then. If I were a scum enchanter, I would not allow even the possibility of a nolynch long before the day ended. WIFOM is a flimsy enough gain to warrant leaving
townie Janus in the game; wasting a free mislynch of a powerful townie would be massive incompetence on the part of a scum enchanter. No, I was
sure Jokerman was town, and said as much. Anyone paying little attention would at least lean town on him, and certainly not
kill him if he had the town's interests at heart.
Pandar's rationale, I don't quite buy, but I guess it's true that since Ottofar did flip town, Toaster's claim was somewhat suspect. So while I don't like it and I'd have done differently in his shoes, it is less scummy than dropping a confirmed town enchanter.
This is the exact same bullshit you've been saying all game. If anything, you should be agreeing with Pandarsenic's rationale since it's also yours, not trying to distance yourself from the doppelganger vigilante.
I did, I am agreeing that I see the value in the reasoning: after Ottofar flipped town, Toaster's claim was suspect. I would have done differently because there were scummier people (like Person or even me) who I'd have killed instead, but between Leaf's and Pandar's reasoning, Leaf's is clearly more dishonest, based on bullshit, and the most hurtful to the town's interests.
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