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[JanusTwoface]

You get a wasted lynch.
...
Emotional appeal.

No lynch is a wasted lynch. No matter the outcome, you always get some information.

I enjoy arguing with Book right now. I feel like I can show he's scum as well. Since I'm alive today, I can do that. I might not be alive tomorrow.

Here's hoping.

And you're kicking up enough crap that, even if you are town, I'm guessing the scum will leave you just for that.

[webadict]

You get a wasted lynch.
...
Emotional appeal.

No lynch is a wasted lynch. No matter the outcome, you always get some information.

A No Lynch is a wasted lynch, though.

I enjoy arguing with Book right now. I feel like I can show he's scum as well. Since I'm alive today, I can do that. I might not be alive tomorrow.

Here's hoping.

And you're kicking up enough crap that, even if you are town, I'm guessing the scum will leave you just for that.

Are you saying Book is Town?

[JanusTwoface]

A No Lynch is a wasted lynch, though.

At any point other than MYLO, yes. Reading that I realized the potential problem with my phrasing.

Are you saying Book is Town?

No. But right now, I'd say he's mid to low on the scum scale.

[webadict]

Are you saying Book is Town?

No. But right now, I'd say he's mid to low on the scum scale.

Care to give us a full range of people on that scale? I'd be interested to know what you think about Ottofar.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
Book: NativeForeigner
JanusTwoFace: Jim Groovester, Mr.Person, Org, Toaster, webadict
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Ottofar
NativeForeigner: Leafsnail
Org: JanusTwoFace
Ottofar: Argembarger, Dariush, Jokerman-EXE, Pandarsenic
Toaster: Mysteriousbluepuppet
webadict: Book




Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today. There are 2 votes for a Double Extension. 4 votes total will extend the day to ~5pm Pacific Thursday. Extension votes can be for regular or double extensions.

[webadict]

Jim Groovester's voting Janus, Meph. Just a heads-up.

[Mephansteras]

Huh. Not sure what happened there. I'll update the VC.

[Leafsnail]

There has always been at least one Kook. there will always be at least one Kook.

He asserts a falsehood as truth, and claims to have knowledge he doesn't have. Those are clear, blatant, scummy lies. But I'll let Meph confirm, maybe I'm wrong, and we'll indeed always have a kook.

It's hyperbole, but most games do seem to have a kook, and I don't think 2 kooks is hugely unlikely with 15 players.

More seriously, I think that your original RV on Argembarger was leading. It sounded like you were trying to trick him into saying he was scum which is, in itself, a scummy way to question.

If I actually were able to trick people into admitting their guilt I'd probably be in the courts rather than here.  It was more of a "see if they flip out over nothing" question.

I don't think it was overexplanation, my thoughts on webadict are complex. I needed all of it to get my point across.

Yes, they make sense in that answer.  But... you were being asked about a previous event, and you didn't bring up most of those reasons then.

I...never unvoted...

Ah yes, I forgot you don't vote.

and what else was I supposed to say about active-lurking? "I'm not. Totally not at all."? I just found it odd that you left it at that and moved on to others (which I know now weren't actual full posts). The least I expected was for you to say something regarding what you think are crap responses. That's usually something you follow up on.

I am and have.  Hence my vote on you.

Not necessarily lynched, not yet anyway. But you're getting close and you seem most deserving of my attention right now.

So uh... do something about it?

I'm calling bullshit on that. What proof do you have that I wasn't going to follow up on that? If it's insufficient or interesting, I'll follow up. You saying "you will now because I pointed it out" just goes to show you're only trying to dirty my name and so far, I've only known scum to do that.

He says while uh, not following up on them.  And I haven't been dirtying your name so much as pointing out why you're scum.

As for the previous questions, nothing interesting popped up. Org gave a useless answer and made it apparent that I wouldn't give much with it and Book answered sufficiently. Aside from that, I realized there wasn't much to actually gain from those questions, so I decided to abandon them.

The least I expected was for you to say something regarding what you think are crap responses. That's usually something you follow up on.

Hehehe.

I could have just as easily said 'not a reason at all.' Seems like we're splitting hairs here and talking about the same thing.

Fair enough, seems I just misread that.

MBP. Flimsy reasoning, taken the game's been going on this long. Seriously. The kook claim was a bad reason in RVS already, and now it is even worse.

Does flimsy reasoning make you scum?  If so, how?

I voted him because I saw no reason for him to be content with my response. I wasn't even content with it. But that matter is over with, so unvote for now.

...

What?  You made a response so bad that apparently being content with it would be a scumtell (not how it actually happened, but whatever) but it's all good because now... the same person is content with it?  What?

So I'm only scum when you think I might be attacking you?

...Yeah, I'm sortof tunneling here, but quite frankly I feel like it's too late to read all those WoTs today.  I'll try and get a proper suspicion list tomorrow.

[webadict]

...Yeah, I'm sortof tunneling here, but quite frankly I feel like it's too late to read all those WoTs today.  I'll try and get a proper suspicion list tomorrow.

... Then ask for an Extension?

Is that seriously your reason for not reading them?

[Argembarger]

You'll try to get a suspicion list put together during the night? for real? Instead of today?

Gonna wait and adjust your opinion based on the night result? That doesn't help anyone right now.

Why not just extend?

PPE. Ninja'd. Yeah.

[Pandarsenic]

Extension, because people apparently require it.

[JanusTwoface]

Spoiler: Scumlists (click to show/hide)

NOTE: I didn't have this done yet, I normally don't want to do it until Day 2. Hopefully it makes some sense.

NOTE: I don't have any definite information this time. So at least that won't get ignored.

Most scummy:

• Org - Refusal to play, literal OMGUS, webadict parrot
• NativeForeigner - One of the best examples of active lurking that I've seen in a while; too much

Middle:

• webadict - You tunneled me from the beginning of the day, I'm getting unfortunately used to that though
• Toaster - I'm actually getting a scum vibe from him which is rather rare, not much more than a gut feeling at this point
• Ottofar - Keeps claiming he'll have a more solid post later but doesn't
• Dariush - Far quieter than he normally is, feels like a complete reversal from previous scum play that got him lynched for it twice
• Mr.Person - Following his usual scum pattern of a few long posts which duplicate previous information
• Book - Tunneling somewhat again, at least it's not on me this time
• Pandarsenic - The game hostage thing
• Mysteriousbluepuppet - Nothing on him
• Argembarger - Nothing on him

Least scummy:

• Leafsnail - All I have is the leading RV question, flimsy at best
• Jim Groovester - Playing like town Jim
• Jokerman-EXE - Is being more useful than he normally does and keeping up well with the game

...Yeah, I'm sortof tunneling here, but quite frankly I feel like it's too late to read all those WoTs today.  I'll try and get a proper suspicion list tomorrow.

That'd be the exact problem with 40,000+ charcter posts...

Extension, because people apparently require it.

What people require it? What will they do with it?

[NativeForeigner]

There has always been at least one Kook. there will always be at least one Kook.

He asserts a falsehood as truth, and claims to have knowledge he doesn't have. Those are clear, blatant, scummy lies. But I'll let Meph confirm, maybe I'm wrong, and we'll indeed always have a kook.

It's hyperbole, but most games do seem to have a kook, and I don't think 2 kooks is hugely unlikely with 15 players.

More seriously, I think that your original RV on Argembarger was leading. It sounded like you were trying to trick him into saying he was scum which is, in itself, a scummy way to question.

If I actually were able to trick people into admitting their guilt I'd probably be in the courts rather than here.  It was more of a "see if they flip out over nothing" question.

I don't think it was overexplanation, my thoughts on webadict are complex. I needed all of it to get my point across.

Yes, they make sense in that answer.  But... you were being asked about a previous event, and you didn't bring up most of those reasons then.

I...never unvoted...

Ah yes, I forgot you don't vote.

and what else was I supposed to say about active-lurking? "I'm not. Totally not at all."? I just found it odd that you left it at that and moved on to others (which I know now weren't actual full posts). The least I expected was for you to say something regarding what you think are crap responses. That's usually something you follow up on.

I am and have.  Hence my vote on you.

Not necessarily lynched, not yet anyway. But you're getting close and you seem most deserving of my attention right now.

So uh... do something about it?

I'm calling bullshit on that. What proof do you have that I wasn't going to follow up on that? If it's insufficient or interesting, I'll follow up. You saying "you will now because I pointed it out" just goes to show you're only trying to dirty my name and so far, I've only known scum to do that.

He says while uh, not following up on them.  And I haven't been dirtying your name so much as pointing out why you're scum.

As for the previous questions, nothing interesting popped up. Org gave a useless answer and made it apparent that I wouldn't give much with it and Book answered sufficiently. Aside from that, I realized there wasn't much to actually gain from those questions, so I decided to abandon them.

The least I expected was for you to say something regarding what you think are crap responses. That's usually something you follow up on.

Hehehe.

I could have just as easily said 'not a reason at all.' Seems like we're splitting hairs here and talking about the same thing.

Fair enough, seems I just misread that.

MBP. Flimsy reasoning, taken the game's been going on this long. Seriously. The kook claim was a bad reason in RVS already, and now it is even worse.

Does flimsy reasoning make you scum?  If so, how?

I voted him because I saw no reason for him to be content with my response. I wasn't even content with it. But that matter is over with, so unvote for now.

...

What?  You made a response so bad that apparently being content with it would be a scumtell (not how it actually happened, but whatever) but it's all good because now... the same person is content with it?  What?

So I'm only scum when you think I might be attacking you?

...Yeah, I'm sortof tunneling here, but quite frankly I feel like it's too late to read all those WoTs today.  I'll try and get a proper suspicion list tomorrow.

No, not a tell. At least not a good one. Just something warranting attention. I turned my attention away from you because there's other BS going on that's more important (in my opinion) than this little back and forth we're having about my previous lurkiness.

I'm aware that you were voting me for my active-lurking, it was the fact that you just kind of left it without doing anything else. (Granted, I didn't give you time for a full post before I said something about it).

I, uh, did follow up? No, it's dirtying my name and trying to make it seem like I'm only participating or following up because I'm afraid of getting found out. That's not the case, at all.

Yes, hehehe, I Org was Org. He stuck flawlessly to his meta. I saw no benefit in pushing him on that matter. I did, however, see benefit in pushing him on the current matter. Seriously, stop selective-reading.

[JanusTwoface]

As a random side note, quoting entire posts like that isn't really helpful. If you have the time/inclination to pull apart the posts into multiple quotes and respond to specific parts, that's great.

Otherwise, just link or refer to the specific parts you are referring to.

Easier to read at the very least.

[Pandarsenic]

Also, Janus, way to demonstrate the Blackmailing The Town scumtell. Real smooth. Real classy. Fantastically pro-town.

I still feel Ottofar deserves the lynch but if it's necessary to avoid potential lynchfuckery (e.g. JanusTwoFace is a Doppelganger Enchanter and switches to Ottofar last minute) I'm willing to switch Ottofar to him to make sure nothing explodes. And I can't see any other reason he'd object to an extension....

PPE: Janus, you give me far too much credit in my ability to hold the game up. Me just going inactive for a day wouldn't make the whole thing grind to a halt, I assure you.

PPE2: Now there's something I can agree with, Janus.