Jokerman-EXE wakes up, takes a shower, and pours himself a cup of coffee. Upon sitting down at his computer to check over the B12 forums, he promptly suffers a heart attack and dies.Nah, I kid. It's good to see some fatty posts when I wake up. Gives me something to think about on the way to class.
Jokerman-EXE: Who else do you feel is scummy, besides Ottofar? You've said a lot about who you think is NOT scummy, so I'm interested in who you think is and why.
For one thing,
Ottofar has more than enough in terms of my suspicions to warrant a vote now. I may not be posting much, but at least I'm saying things that can be dissected and discussed; I'm still waiting for a really useful post from Ottofar, and now it just feels like lurking scum. I know he posts from a phone, but it's not impossible to get a few minutes to sit at the computer and post something with content. I would know. Plus:
Okay. Unvote Toaster.
MBP. Flimsy reasoning, taken the game's been going on this long. Seriously. The kook claim was a bad reason in RVS already, and now it is even worse.
Also, which both are vaguely suspicious, Toaster and me or Web and Book?
...what. He votes the person you're voting, and then...you unvote that person to vote him? What is that I don't even
Yes, MBP could have said more useful things given the stretch of time it took him to say anything at all. Still, this reasoning of yours is also bullshit.
And here's one of the reasons I think you're scum: lack of strong opinion on apparent suspicions, which is completely and totally unlike you.
As much as I hate piggybacking on other peoples' arguments, this is exactly what I was thinking as I read through the thread. Typical JTF behavior in past games has been to found a suspicion and then pursue it until either they die, or he does. It doesn't sit well with me that he's not doing that, and has instead been dragged into this monstrous argument.
On that point, I want to point out that it's possible that Mr.Person, Webadict, Jim, Janus, Org, and Book are all Town (not saying they are, simply that it's possible). If this is the case, then it would be an absolutely amazing waste of a game for you to all sit there with your heads in each others' asses, arguing about stupid shit that goes beyond the game and into a childish insult-fest while the Dopplegangers sit there and twiddle their thumbs in glee as you destroy all of our chances at winning.
You're all making decent points, and as I read I can actually see myself being swayed back and forth by your arguments. But that's not enough; if you've wasted all of D1 pounding each other, and then one is lynched and flips town, while another is NK'ed and flips town, then I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your humbled self will be completely goddam useless for the better part of D2.
In that spirit, I'm thinking that it's time for everyone to either join in on this crap, or for you all to get out of it. And since you guys are "the best" and wouldn't listen to us, I'll be the first to try and join.
Mr.Person:
There is a bit of a difference, actually. Refusing to answer means Book look at the question, decided answering was bad for the town, and then refused. You looked at the question, which you've freeely admitted was frivilous and useless, and decided it was important enough to pressure Book into answering. Book's was more of a passive thing while yours takes both an active effort for no gain. This means you either decided to force the issue into relevance to attack Book or you value your time so lowly you're willing to waste it AND you don't know how to scumhunt properly via asking questions.
You've literally just said my case. Book thinks talking about Extie choices IS dangerous to talk about. That you think Book is incorrect is irrelevant. So Book did in fact have a reason to not answer that was to him a good one. You argued with Book that it wasn't dangerous, Book disagreed. If you had asked Book other questions or questions about Book's refusal to answer, you would of gotten responses from Book.
Why does it feel like you're defending Book here? For one thing, you're listing off his reasons, which
should be impossible, given that you're not Book. Beyond that, it appears that your main argument is that Book's refusal to answer a "frivolous" question is ultimately unimportant. If that's your claim, then I would ask you what the point of the RVS is. Here I was thinking it was to ask frivolous questions until you start to suspect something. That's what happened here - Book's refusal to answer was enough to get someone's attention. What's wrong with pursuing after that?
I might have missed it if there were questions directed at me (I did a basic reread, but I'm exhausted so forgive me if I did).
Webadict is being suspiciously loud this game. I mean, he's always loud and, well, WUBA, but this game it feels as though he's trying too hard to defend himself before evolving into an attack on Jim. I expected the attack sooner, to be honest, and it felt as though he wasn't playing as he usually does as Town, though that's been abated a bit.
JTF...it's never easy for me to read JTF, but I feel like he's giving off a more Town vibe. His posts have been constructive and he's been voicing suspicions and pursuing scum. All in all, Town read.
Ottofar is being Ottofar, as Pandarsenic said. Out of all three, I'd have to say he's the most scummy to me: his claim was interesting, to say the least. However, from there, he's been more and more scattered, and not making all that much sense. He's also not pursuing scum at all; only answering questions and leaving it at that.
Your position on Web is really stupid since it seems to be "talking a lot = scum" which is laughably false. You're gonna have to prove he's scum via the things he says and not make blanket statements about how much he's saying.
What suspicions? What scum? I see none of those things when I look at JTF's posts. I see empty statements of character that can be read either way. I see no real pressure applied to anyone. I see no real vote or anything at all that makes me think JTF is town. I just see crappy questions that mean nothing.
In what way is Ottofar's claim suspicious? Don't even think of saying "kook=fakeclaim" since that's not allowed. At least come up with a real reason, even if it's Book's crappy reasoning.
I wasn't saying that talking a lot=scum, but thanks for trying to put a meaning in there. Interesting, too, considering that you're the one with the largest posts; trying to make us believe that talking a lot could
never be scummy? But no, my opinion on Webadict has changed now. From what I've read, he's coming across as legitimately pissed off town, and not overly-chatty scum. Gut feeling, though.
As for JTF, while a lot of his posts may be passive - indeed, I'm more used to him being a hardliner - there have been points where I've read what he's saying and agreed, which would mean...what? That I'm subconsciously passive? No, it means that he has made a few points and ignoring them wholesale to agree with WUBA (even using WUBA's reasoning) is stupid. That said, I don't feel like Janus is Town anymore. I don't necessarily feel like he's scum, either, but I hesitate to say that I don't suspect him anymore. In fact, I do.
Where did I say his claim was suspicious? That's the most blatant attempt at putting words in my mouth that I've seen this game. I said interesting, a word that has none of the same connotation, on this or any board, and I would thank you to slow your goddam roll for a second and read what I actually wrote. Interesting, that is, bearing interest - his claim was a topic of discussion and personal reflection, and I never said one way or the other how I felt about it.
Except, oh wait, yes I did. I explicitly said that it wasn't a tell, and that reading into it would be different for each person.
So tell me, do I still need a reason?
God damn it, I have to go to class now. I hope the rest of you don't think this is over; more when I get back.
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