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Inglonias

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Confirm screen on embark
« on: February 10, 2011, 02:51:25 pm »

This one is pretty simple. I'm sure that all of us have embarked before we had finished preparing at least once. At least, I'm sure that I do. Usually I do it right before I remember to name the fortress and group myself. My suggestion is to add a simple "Are you sure?" message before embark, possibly also showing a summary of relevant information.

A possible example:
Code: [Select]
Are you CERTAIN that you're ready to embark?
*These two lines are choices
No (Putting no on top would help me personally, but I'd be willing to concede on this)
Yes

Items you are bringing:
*LIST OF ITEMS*

Fortress Name: *FORTRESS NAME*
Group Name: *GROUP NAME*

Comments? Would this help you?
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 03:04:58 pm »

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I'm still interested in seeing how people think about this.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 03:18:47 pm »

Bumping your own thread if you don't have something to add isn't really encouraged, although thread necromancy if you do have something to add is fine.  Toady supposedly looks through them all, anyway, so it's only the other forum users who might need bumping, and if they aren't interested the first time...

Anyway, there already is an embark warning INIT option.

This seems like you want an "are you sure" message on the "prepare carefully" screen, though.  I guess throwing one on in the INIT options under the already-there embark warning option would be fairly quick, simple, and painless to put into the game, so I don't think anyone has anything wrong with doing this, but that very few people see a pressing need to do so.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 02:26:24 am »

This seems like you want an "are you sure" message on the "prepare carefully" screen, though.  I guess throwing one on in the INIT options under the already-there embark warning option would be fairly quick, simple, and painless to put into the game, so I don't think anyone has anything wrong with doing this, but that very few people see a pressing need to do so.

It's certainly not a pressing need, but I actually stumbled into this problem this week. I was adding several items specifically of the Meat type on the preparations screen, and I figured starting the search string with EA could save me a keystroke instead of starting with MEA. Of course I missed the N once, had no time to notice the mistake and embarked with fewer free barrels and a fortress with a lackluster, first-pass random name. Thus was the king was unable to earmark some pork barrel spending for his favored expedition's budget.

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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 03:02:17 am »

Well, will warning like this really help or will it just be skipped automatically as it does not provide any aditional info above what you already ought to know?

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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 04:05:52 am »

The lack of a confirmation screen is really annoying when you manage to hit 'e' by accident. Something as simple as "You have X unspent points. Are you ready to embark? [Y/N]" Would solve that problem, and give less experienced players a chance to realize that they've missed something.

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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 10:55:28 am »

Comments? Would this help you?

I'd take just a simple "Are you sure you want to embark?" but the more complex suggestion above is fine too.

I would really, really love this. I accidentally hit "e" when typing something (I thought I was on the item selection screen) and embarked after spending a huge amount of time setting up items, dwarves, finding the best location, etc., and it really, really steamed me and I had to create a whole world and re-do it all. So, definitely, a confirmation screen is really urgently needed.

Cheers!

PS: Found an option here after a vague reference above in the thread:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Technical_tricks#Settings_-_init.txt

Look for this:

[EMBARK_WARNING_ALWAYS:YES]

I haven't tested it yet but I will embark again soon.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 11:22:13 am by NYDwarf »
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 02:41:23 pm »

The lack of a confirmation screen is really annoying when you manage to hit 'e' by accident. Something as simple as "You have X unspent points. Are you ready to embark? [Y/N]" Would solve that problem, and give less experienced players a chance to realize that they've missed something.
Maybe also add the fortress/group names somewhere, and make it an init option, and I'm on board.

PS: Found an option here after a vague reference above in the thread:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Technical_tricks#Settings_-_init.txt

Look for this:

[EMBARK_WARNING_ALWAYS:YES]

I haven't tested it yet but I will embark again soon.
You know how if you embark in an aquifery, saltwater, or large area, the game asks you if you want to embark? That's what that option changes.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2012, 12:50:18 pm »

I made the same mistake a few times.  I changed my embark key to Ctrl-e, and I never accidentally embarked again.  I think that this change is a less intrusive change than having a confirmation screen always on by default. 
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2012, 03:47:00 pm »

This one is pretty simple. I'm sure that all of us have embarked before we had finished preparing at least once. At least, I'm sure that I do. Usually I do it right before I remember to name the fortress and group myself. My suggestion is to add a simple "Are you sure?" message before embark, possibly also showing a summary of relevant information.

A possible example:
Code: [Select]
Are you CERTAIN that you're ready to embark?
*These two lines are choices
No (Putting no on top would help me personally, but I'd be willing to concede on this)
Yes

Items you are bringing:
*LIST OF ITEMS*

Fortress Name: *FORTRESS NAME*
Group Name: *GROUP NAME*

Comments? Would this help you?

A loading status bar would also be of use to the players who don't like to think that DF froze their computers. After all, people like visual feedback.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 04:07:05 pm »

One layer of fatfinger protection -- with an init option to disable it for confident players that don't like the nuisance -- would be reasonable for spots where the game is looking for one-keystroke input that has an irreversible effect, I think.  Nothing fancy and involved like parroting back your entire inventory to you.  Just a simple "Hey, buddy, you pushed the <whatever permanent decision> button!  Did you mean that? [Y/N]" prompt.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2012, 06:28:53 pm »

This would be nice, certainly.

Rebinding keys is possible, but takes a little knowledge (neither the menu nor the text file itself are easy to work with). It also doesn't help when the first time you remember you forgot to redo your key bindings for a new version is the first time you accidently hit 'e' on the embark screen.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2012, 07:02:19 pm »

I'd only like to see this if there are unspent points. I'm of the school where I want my computer to jump and do my orders when I tell it to, and extra "are you really sure?" prompts tend to annoy me. It doesn't help that I'll use one of my default setups, and if I don't like the actual lay of the land where I embarked to, I'll start somewhere else, and might embark up to a dozen times before I find a place I like.
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2012, 01:01:26 pm »

PS: Found an option here after a vague reference above in the thread:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Technical_tricks#Settings_-_init.txt

Look for this:

[EMBARK_WARNING_ALWAYS:YES]

I haven't tested it yet but I will embark again soon.

I added this. This helped, in that the EMBARK from the map screen did give me a confirmation prompt.

However, it didn't give me a confirmation prompt when I went to the "choose your embarkation options in detail" page and then accidentally hit "e" again.

I'd really like a confirmation for embarkation for each time you hit embark, because there's no recovering from an accidental "e" keypress now.

Thanks!
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Re: Confirm screen on embark
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 05:37:15 pm »

Holy mother of troll dung...  please add this feature!

I'm just getting back into DF.  I swear I haven't even been able to embark yet this week.  I keep on hitting that friggin' e key before I'm done with preparations.
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