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"Granting someone a second chance only means they get to screw up twice."

Strongly Agree
- 1 (2.9%)
Agree
- 0 (0%)
Neutral/Tossup
- 12 (35.3%)
Disagree
- 13 (38.2%)
Strongly Disagree
- 8 (23.5%)

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Author Topic: Assessing Our Outlooks  (Read 9202 times)

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Re: Assessing Our Outlooks
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2011, 01:58:08 am »
Sure, vote.
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Re: Assessing Our Outlooks
« Reply #91 on: February 10, 2011, 05:32:48 am »
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Next statement: "The protection of the innocent is more important than the punishment of the guilty."

Yeah, I've ran out of my own ideas at this point. Feel free to also contribute future statements.
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« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2011, 05:58:37 am »
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on February 10, 2011, 05:32:48 am
Feel free to also contribute future statements.

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Re: Assessing Our Outlooks
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2011, 06:17:37 am »
As a general statement, yes, I think it's more important to protect the innocent. Rather let one guilty man go free and all that.

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« Reply #94 on: February 10, 2011, 09:15:07 am »
Durr.. the road to justice is paved with the livers of the innocent.
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« Reply #95 on: February 10, 2011, 09:17:41 am »
Quote from: Zangi on February 10, 2011, 09:15:07 am
Durr.. the road to justice is paved with the livers of the innocent.

There aren't that many livers of Innocents killed to make a road, ya dirty cop  :P
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Zangi

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« Reply #96 on: February 10, 2011, 09:31:02 am »
Sure there is... just gotta skin and stretch em out...

Either way... I'm kinda in the do what must be done camp.   Certain things may or may not warrant the clearing everything out of the way with prejudice...
The blood is on your hands, it is your responsibility. (In a world where responsibility when shit hits the fan tends to be shifted... heh...) 
Otherwise, let the 'wrong' continue to be someone else's problem to clean up after.
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« Reply #97 on: February 10, 2011, 09:32:04 am »
How do you skin a liver  ??? :P
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« Reply #98 on: February 10, 2011, 12:13:56 pm »
I went with "strongly agree", although I guess it kindof depends on what you mean by "punish".  I think rehabilitation, preventation and dissuasion are better reasons for legal sanctions, but you could argue that those go under punishment.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to "First, do no harm".
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« Reply #99 on: February 10, 2011, 12:37:56 pm »
Depends entirely on what said person is guilty of. Also, could you give an example? The more broad these questions are, the harder they are to answer.  ::)
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« Reply #100 on: February 10, 2011, 12:43:26 pm »
Agreed, Though if the crime is sexual in nature > Public torture
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« Reply #101 on: February 10, 2011, 04:21:02 pm »
I agree: I'd rather protect a man from a killer and possibly let the killer get away than let the killer kill the man and try to explain why I let the man die to his family and friends when I could have saved him.

That's my personal opinion.
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Re: Assessing Our Outlooks
« Reply #102 on: February 10, 2011, 04:28:17 pm »
If integrity is not the core component of any effort to make right, it's doomed to amount to nothing.
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Re: Assessing Our Outlooks
« Reply #103 on: February 10, 2011, 05:29:35 pm »
I agree. It is more important to make sure that no one gets punished who doesn't deserve it than to ensure that the perpetrator is brought to justice.
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« Reply #104 on: February 10, 2011, 07:01:40 pm »
I'm going to argue contrary to my personal beliefs, because it's an interesting stance I don't see taken often.  And yeah, I'll paint in broad, black-and-white strokes.

You've got nine guilty men and one innocent man.  You can execute them all, or let them all go free.  If you let them go free, those guilty men will go on to murder, rape, and torture more innocents.

It is the patriotic duty of that innocent man to sacrifice his own life to protect the lives and freedom of other innocents.  A sense of patriotic duty is already enough to compel you to rush into a burning building and sacrifice your life to save several others, or to fight and die in a just war to defend your homeland (assuming those wars still existed).  It is, in fact, a great act to willingly be accused, and to die knowing that everyone--maybe even your friends and family--will think you are guilty...to make that sacrifice just to protect more innocents, in the name of ensuring that the guilty will always be punished, no matter what.


Yeah, I have close friends who hold that viewpoint and I respect it a lot.  It's not mine though, for two reasons.  1) How many innocents are you willing to punish in order to get at the guilty ones?  The number keeps going up if you're willing to punish any at all.  2) Taking it a meta-level, it is the patriotic duty of innocent free men to put themselves in danger to protect the freedom of others.  If the courts cannot prove that someone is a murderer, and must set him free, it is my duty NOT to shoot him straight-away.  I must not sacrifice the liberty of another to gain security for myself.
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