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[Ibid Straydrink]

The antagonist proposition sounds good to me. Could you give me a few days to read thoroughly read the thread and get back to you?

[Vanigo]

Shouldn't be a problem.

[lemon10]

Bump, I know that in the scheme of things, 5 days since everyone has posted their age end isn't very long (especially since you have to do like 5 times as much as we do and it took me like two weeks to write and post mine), but still, if it helps you get to doing it any faster...

[IronyOwl]

Or at least, some sort of status update, even if it's just "Still waiting on X" or "Haven't gotten around to it yet."

Like, do we know how many antagonists are in yet? I'm pretty curious about those.

[Vanigo]

I'm working on it. I'm kind of straining for a few societal technologies, if anyone has any suggestions.

Also, here are the rule changes I'm thinking about:

Spoiler: Wonder building (click to show/hide)

In age 5, each civ has the option to attempt to build a wonder. This is a very free-form process, and depends heavily on your roleplaying. Tell me what you're going to build - and don't be afraid to think big. Then, spend what you think is an appropriate amount of labor and resources, spread across at least four turns. The real deciding factor in what you get is how much you impress me. Good roleplaying, well thought-out concepts, appropriate resources being spent (and not just a pile of everything), and non-construction game actions taken for wonder-related reasons are all very helpful.
You may only attempt one wonder this age, so be sure to put some thought into it!

Spoiler: Zone of Control (click to show/hide)

Replacing the interception rules, this new mechanic allows garrison units to slow the advance of approaching hostile units. Units may be set to garrison or guard any tile on the map. They then patrol an area determined by their speed, and the presence of roads. This is their zone of control. Any enemy unit approaching through this zone will be harassed by the defending unit, preventing them from moving through more than one tile per point of speed every turn. Therefore, if an attacking force has the same speed as the defending unit, it will only be able to move adjacent to the defenders on the first turn of their offensive, rather than being able to attack immediately. If the attackers are faster than the defenders, however, they can push through the zone of control to attack immediately. Defending units skirmish with attackers as they advance, doing damage to both units (represented as a round or two of combat). If the attacking force routs the defenders, the zone of control collapses and they may move to their destination immediately (assuming no other defenders are in the way).
Naturally, land units cannot delay sea units, nor vice versa. Flying units can ignore non-flying melee units, but ranged units can engage them normally.
Units with a speed of less than one, like most siege engines, cannot move through enemy zones of control at all. If there is a friendly unit between them and any nearby defenders, however, the zone of control is blocked and they can move normally. Attackers may choose to besiege a defending force on reaching their home square rather than attacking immediately to negate the defenders' zone of control; this allows siege units to move in on the next turn.
Glyphs of warding have changed. They now widen the zone of control of any garrison units in their tile by 1 square.

Spoiler: Colony simplification (click to show/hide)

You no longer need to build settlers; by spending the appropriate resources you can build a colony immediately. You still need available transport capacity if the colony site is not accessible overland, and you cannot build a colony beyond your supply range. Settlers left over from previous ages can be used as before.

[IronyOwl]

Nice. I don't know what my wonder is going to be, but I know I'm going to be spending an inordinate amount of everything on it.

Can their effects be, well, anything, or are there certain limits?



For societal techs, maybe:


Entertainment:

Literature, or more specific or related concepts, like epic poems or adventure stories
Specific types of theater, like drama or murder mysteries
Races or similar, like chariot races or obstacle courses
Paintings, drawings, and related artwork, like mosaics or pottery artwork
Sculptures or similar, like marble statues or gold idols
Gambling, like opposing dice rolls or wagers on the outcome of an unrelated event
Athletic competitions, like foot races or wrestling
Festivals or similar, like holidays or celebrations of a specific food or industry


Others:

Trials or some other legal concept, like public knowledge of laws
Spirituality-related concepts, like atonement or family guardians
Economic gain-related concepts, like investments or advertising
Worker benefit-related concepts, like minimum wages or safety requirements
Consumer benefit-related concepts, like quality requirements or price caps
City efficiency-related concepts, like zoning or urban design
Economic efficiency-related concepts, like streamlined supply chains or transportation

[Vanigo]

Well, part of the problem with societal techs is that they can't be too specific. Sure, your civ might go for chariot races, but the others probably won't, so I can't have a "Chariot Races" tech. I have to generalize, and I already have Entertainment. I suppose Music is general enough...

Wonder-wise, you don't get to define the effects. You say, "I'm building a giant statue of the king", or whatever, and I decide what it does.

[lemon10]

Bump.
Looking forward to my wonder, although it will be more of a quest (although still with a acceptably high building cost I hope) as long as that is alright.

[IronyOwl]

I'm not having any trouble coming up with wonders, but I'm having trouble coming up with the right wonder.

What's everyone else scheming? Anything?

[Nirur Torir]

I'm still thinking on mine. I do not believe I should even attempt a massive airship "wonder," and I doubt it would be allowed or even remotely efficient (It'd be Too Awesome to Use anyway). A super shipyard seems a bit dull, and of questionable use when I already dominate the seas. I *might* be able to get a network of teleportation gates if I throw enough magic gems and researchers at the problem, but I do not see the point, nor would the naval-based gnomes (Unless it made me virtually invincible, but I do not see why that would be allowed). I suppose a massive golem factory/depot or bazaar might work, but it'd be hard to call either a wonder.

I'm indecisive. Maybe I'll make a magical artifact.

[IronyOwl]

The Ark. A massive, landbound ship made of iron and bronze, juuuuuuuuuuust in case the world abruptly floods and the only ones left alive are those who could get to a formerly useless behemoth of the seas in time.

[IronyOwl]

More seriously, an artificial island or buoyant fortress might be up your alley. A massive lighthouse could work too. Or a golem too big to have been made by anyone sensible. A golem depot/control center could work if it was the center of everything golemy ever.

Also thought of something relatively unique to me: A giant structure lined with sky diamonds to sing when the wind blows through it. Anyone could build such a thing, but not as many could fly up and go anywhere within it whenever they liked. It could be like a sprawling cathedral complex of music.

[Nirur Torir]

I figured out what wonder I want. It's perfect. I won't say what it is yet, but I'll need a massive amount of gems.

IronyOwl: I expect to need my entire navy for at least two turns, to clear the northern oceans for colonization for both of us. I wish to secure a trade contract for 3 ember rubies and 4 gems from the storm island you have a claim on. I'd really like them at or before turn 55 (10 turns away).

[IronyOwl]

IronyOwl: I expect to need my entire navy for at least two turns, to clear the northern oceans for colonization for both of us.

Alright, but I want to try to capture whatever it is you're clearing out. My lone galley can help with the fighting also.

I wish to secure a trade contract for 3 ember rubies and 4 gems from the storm island you have a claim on. I'd really like them at or before turn 55 (10 turns away).

Now this is fascinating. Really, really fascinating.

The ember rubies aren't a massive deal, but of course I'll want a good price for them. The storm island should be colonized pretty promptly, but it might take a few more turns, so four gems in ten turns might be around half my total collection. That's probably doable, but depending on what I can use them for it might be more or less of an issue.

As for what I'd be interested in, kind of depends on what I've got and what I'm trying for; I don't know my techs or wonder, so any number of things might be valuable. Generally speaking, though, life flowers are always in demand and I might have some use for springwater pearls. If my wonder swings that way I might also need gold, but at the moment that's not looking too likely.

[lemon10]

Bump. Come on vanigo, its been 20 days since irony posted his age end. At least respond in the thread...