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To Steam or not to Steam.
« on: February 07, 2011, 08:09:21 pm »

So let me sum up what's going on. So far I've been vehemently opposed to Steam, and I've been going through a string of retrogressively bad laptops for my gaming machines. My current one is more than 3 years old, replacing a 6 month old netbook (Never again.). However, I just had [IMPORTANT EVENT] giving me a large windfall of cash, to do with as I please, which means proper rig coming. So, I come to you, the internets to decide whether I should maintain my dearest idiosyncrasy, or give up the ghost and give into the current PC gaming trend of Steam.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2011, 08:23:49 pm »

Give in.  There's nothing wrong with Steam.  There's a sizeable minority of people for whom Steam is nothing but trouble, eating their computer, blowing up their house, and sending threatening letters to their parents, but considering the thousands of people who have no problem with it I have to think that they're doing something wrong.

If you've got friends that play vidjyagaems Steam is a great way to keep things organized.  If you don't have any friends it might be somewhat less cool.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2011, 08:25:45 pm »

Buy only stuff in promotion and if you can buy them elsewhere do so.

The reason is simple, all games are linked to your account, if your account is hacked or banned for any reason, bye bye hundreds of dollars worth of games.

So yeah. Sales and steam only games only.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 08:45:21 pm »

i hated steam at its inception, damn drm for halflife 2.

now i feel that steams not too bad for drm. It wastes some system resources running in the background, it can crash or kick you offline etc (hasnt done this to me in a couple of years, more stable these days), and it does require you to be online to play some games, also it can be slow on updating patches on none valve games.

Id recommend getting steam if: you live valve games, you want to cash in on the holiday sales with are imo unrivaled in value. Its also a pretty good interface for multiplayer games / community etc. generally speaking i wouldnt say steam store is better value (about the same across the board) than the competition at gamersgate or directtodrive.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 08:57:24 pm »

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=73900.msg1834165#msg1834165

This was my Rant about giving in to Both Steam and Microsoft...
I feel though that Steam has been a good idea, up until Christmas Holiday Specials (Gah my Wallet is now Empty Syndrome) plus Windows 7 has been a good move on my part personally, I like the UI that is there...
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 09:12:28 pm »

I've had a mostly hate relationship with steam, stemming from being forced to download it with certain games (Which is nowadays a ton of games though it's not as bad).
It's not too bad, but I'd recommend downloading from any of the other digital download services that serve as only a medium through which to download the game, not something that's attached to the game directly.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 09:13:59 pm »

Digital distribution and PC gaming go hand-in-hand. If not Steam, then D2D, GamersGate, Amazon Download ... but Steam is fine. Offline mode works. If you buy games during Steam sales you'll get truly good deals (do not buy Steam games outside of sales if you can help it, they are not good deals generally speaking).

As DRM goes it isn't completely terrible. It has issues and downsides, but the convenience and features aren't so bad.

A lot of people don't like Steam for any number of good reasons. Steam has evolved a bit over the years to be better. Not perfect, but acceptable. It's convenient, and that's important when retailers are far away or, more and more frequently, don't even carry PC games that aren't AAA titles.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2011, 09:14:27 pm »

Secondhand experience with Steam, here.  Friends of mine bought a Steam-powered game, couldn't get it installed on their machine (even with my help, and I like to think I can did my bit to cajole PCs into doing such things, I'm certainly no slouch with the whole business) and even after getting a replacement set of disks from the shop.  Anyway, they sold the game on (media, packing, all relevant activation codes) through eBay.  The recipients apparently tried to install it and got warned that they were using a pirated game.

Now, I can hear the gears grinding, and yes, Friends had probably managed to register their copy properly at some point, despite it not completing its installation, but as it didn't play with some aspect or other of their machine (specs being Ok, because I checked, but maybe a minor incompatibility of drivers or something, or problem connecting with home[1] if only it'd given some halfway sensible errors on failure) it was totally removed and upon re-sale (lock, stock and barrel, which should be a fair-use transaction, although not all T&Cs agree) renounced.  Yet still there was a fuss from Steam about it that AFAIK never got resolved to anybody's satisfaction.

Of course, there are probably many stories with perfectly satisfactory endings.  If I could even remember the details, it could be an even better anecdote but still one of the few, rare tales of woe out of millions of success-cases.

From a personal POV, I'm just generally not too happy about on-line registrations, either, although I appreciate the need for them to avoid the most rampant piracy issues (where the main part of the game involved isn't already the on-line connection for PvP gaming or character sharing, where licence checking could be performed on such occasions but the standalone install doesn't really need to ping servers every time it starts up in single-player mode), and as such I'd probably be likely to avoid games with Steam registration/etc mentioned on their packaging, even if I had time to fully immerse myself in them and be a gamer-head in any big way.

But as a datum point, I hope you find the above informative.  Again, emphasising that it's a single hard case that I know that probably isn't representative of anybody else's likely experience.


[1] From what I could tell, the traditional installation media was augmented by download.  I know there's download-only Steam purchases, but while I can't remember all the details, I've a feeling that this was two DVDs (or so) and still needed to download more, and not just do a quick licence checking...
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2011, 09:18:08 pm »

Give in, but use Gamersgate and perhaps GOG primarily.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2011, 09:21:09 pm by PenguinOverlord »
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2011, 09:46:12 pm »

I find Steam perfectly ok to use. You'll only get banned if you do something illegal (different from VAC ban). And if your account gets hacked you can always contact their very good support. Why is it getting hacked anyway? Did you fall for one of those crappy schemes and give it to them or pick up a virus while downloading porn? Same thing with your bank account. If it gets seized or identity theft occurs, there goes everything. And then the bank's support is there to help you.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2011, 09:48:25 pm »

Steam is worth it and they're going to be around for a long time seeing as how they had sales of nearly $1 billion in 2010.  It also doesn't hurt that Valve is an amazing game company that listens to their players.  Only negative thing would be if you bought a few games and got banned but really, you shouldn't be doing anything that would get you banned to begin with. 
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2011, 10:02:16 pm »

I remember this one time I used Steam and it worked totally fine.

Which is like all the damn time.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2011, 10:08:59 pm »

I remember this one time I used Steam and it worked totally fine.

Which is like all the damn time.
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2011, 10:21:20 pm »

You're one rare person.

I dunno.  Only problem I ever had with steam was when I bought Bioshock on a midsummer sale.  Thing kept crashing every time I tried it.  However, I just tried it again two weeks ago, and it worked, so I'm assuming some Steam patch fixed it.  Yay for software developers who fix actual problems!

Other than that, I've got over 50 steam games and they almost always work fine (no more crashes than I've experienced from normally-bought games, anyhow).
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Re: To Steam or not to Steam.
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2011, 10:41:14 pm »

I really don't understand why people are "vehemently against Steam." It works just fine, it has a great messenger/friends thing going on, and if you don't like everyone seeing what game you're playing then just play in offline mode. Actually I don't know why I'm trying to make an argument for it. Use it or don't, doesn't matter much.

Oh and I've never had a problem with steam that couldn't be fixed with a quick google. Trust me, if there's a problem with steam, there are at least thirty steam forum posts about it. If it's really that difficult to get working for you then it's probably operator error.
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