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[freeformschooler]

Again, it's NOT a bug. It's just another body added to an existing one.

It's just a bug of addition of a body to body

Yeah I get pretty confused with what people say sometimes 

I'm still not 100% clear on this, but I'm breaking it down step by step as it seems:

1) Two castes were made for a race: one with a quadruped body, and one with a humanoid body
2) The castes bred, resulting in a baby with a quadruped body AND a humanoid body

Is this really possible/intentional? None of the posts in the thread have made it entirely clear.

[3]

When you define a body for a caste, the parts defined there are created in addition to the universally defined parts. If I created a creature that had a base humanoid body, and a caste that had a quadruped body, the caste would have both a humanoid and a quadruped body. The same would apply if I created a caste that was directly derived from a previous caste. I think that's what's gone wrong here.

Deon's assertion of him "using one caste as a template for another" was probably the best way of putting it.

[Rumrusher]

I think he saying your game selects one body as the main and the other additional body gets added as a creature difference. like the race body and the caste based one is added on top.
so can you recreate this and if so could we* get the raws of this beast?
*might help us understand what you are doing.
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[freeformschooler]

When you define a body for a caste, the parts defined there are created in addition to the universally defined parts. If I created a creature that had a base humanoid body, and a caste that had a quadruped body, the caste would have both a humanoid and a quadruped body. The same would apply if I created a caste that was directly derived from a previous caste. I think that's what's gone wrong here.

Deon's assertion of him "using one caste as a template for another" was probably the best way of putting it.

OHHHHHHH okay. See, now it finally makes sense. The original posts, plus some other posts, made it seem like this splicing was the result of in-game actions.

In fact, this is almost as awesome.

[D_E]

Well, you see, hydra heads don't keep a full set of organs in each. Those things would be like fully equipped humanoids, two of them, but as one, with the only connector being the fleshy tube with bones in it. Aside from that, bilateral symmetry, two identical halves.

So, I doubt the game would try to parse their splitting into an expected result of creating two living split halves, each counting as a creature, so... which half would become a cut off bit?

First off, shame on you for posting off topic. 

To answer your question, though, DF doesn't consider anything other than the body tree when determining what happens when a part gets severed. 

In other words, the fact that both bodies have full sets of organs etc is completely beside the point.  The only thing that matters is how the body parts are connected to each other.

Therefore, you're question actually can't be answered, since it depends on how you set up the BODY plan; but a good guess is that whichever body was mentioned second in the raws would be the one that gets severed.

More importantly, however, the creature would probably die instantly, because creatures die if they get a HEAD, LOWERBODY, or UPPERBODY cut off, even if they have spares!

I'm still not 100% clear on this, but I'm breaking it down step by step as it seems:

1) Two castes were made for a race: one with a quadruped body, and one with a humanoid body
2) The castes bred, resulting in a baby with a quadruped body AND a humanoid body

Is this really possible/intentional? None of the posts in the thread have made it entirely clear.

NOTE:  I see you understand now, but I'm leaving this in anyway  .  Darn Ninja...

It is not possible.  99% sure. 

I think we're all pretty sure that point 1) is not true, ie, we think the original poster made some kind of mistake when defining his castes, either he had more than two castes or the quadruped caste was actually a quadruped/humanoid, and he only noticed on the baby.

I agree with Deon that there probably isn't a bug.  The rules for multiple BODY tags are different than the rules for multiple tags of other types, but this is probably WAI* from Toady's point of view.

*Working As Intended

[Minnakht]

Oh, my bad. I thought we were talking about creatures having multiple bodies. I'm sorry for intruding. Again, apologies, you can have a barrel of strawberry wine

[darkflagrance]

Please post the raws for your race! I'd love to see exactly how you brought this about! It sounds exciting if true...

[Zaerosz]

More importantly, however, the creature would probably die instantly, because creatures die if they get a HEAD, LOWERBODY, or UPPERBODY cut off, even if they have spares!

Then how did the last hydra to attack my fort survive having three of its seven heads smashed to pulp?

[Rumrusher]

More importantly, however, the creature would probably die instantly, because creatures die if they get a HEAD, LOWERBODY, or UPPERBODY cut off, even if they have spares!

Then how did the last hydra to attack my fort survive having three of its seven heads smashed to pulp?

none of the brain got a shard of it's skull jammed in or that those where false heads?

[GamerKnight]

What if we made all creatures just different castes of the same species? SO MUCH !!FUN!! WOULD OCCUR.

[Bohandas]

WIN
(and watching )
EDIT:
oh, nevermind. cool, but I thought it was real crossbreeding. apparently (looking at the code ) you just added caste, right?

WHAT CODE???

[TolyK]

I mean tags. raws.
grrr. I'm programming right now.

[D_E]

More importantly, however, the creature would probably die instantly, because creatures die if they get a HEAD, LOWERBODY, or UPPERBODY cut off, even if they have spares!

Then how did the last hydra to attack my fort survive having three of its seven heads smashed to pulp?

I stand corrected!

I just checked in arena mode (v.18), and it turns out the problems been fixed!  At least for heads, it looks like they're now redundant.  There aren't any creatures with more than one LOWERBODY or UPPERBODY in vanilla DF, but since the HEAD problem is fixed, there's a good chance the BODY problem is too.

As a by the by, though, merely smashing heads wasn't enough to kill a creature, the head had to be completely severed.  It's probably still true that if all a creature's heads are severed, it will die, regardless of whether or not those heads contained brains or anything else important (ref. bronze colossus).

none of the brain got a shard of it's skull jammed in or that those where false heads?

Extra THOUGHT bodyparts (brains) are redundant with eachother, creatures don't die until all their brains have been damaged.

[Azkanan]

Ah, I thought I had deleted the file. Apparently not.

Code: [Select]

domestic_test_crossbreeding

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:CROSS1]
[NAME:crosstest:crosstests:crosstest]
[CHILD:1]
[CREATURE_TILE:'D'][COLOR:6:0:0]
[PETVALUE:200]
[PREFSTRING:stubborness]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[COMMON_DOMESTIC][PACK_ANIMAL]
[BENIGN][MEANDERER][PET]
[NATURAL]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:HOOF:HOOF_TEMPLATE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:HOOF:HOOF_TEMPLATE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:BODY_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS:HAIR]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
[TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
[HAS_NERVES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
[GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
[PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:40000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:100000]
[BODY_SIZE:2:0:300000]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[MAXAGE:10:20]
[ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:HOOF_FRONT]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:HOOF_REAR]
[ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]
[ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
[ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]
[ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
[ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
[ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
[ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
[ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
[ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
[DIURNAL]
[HOMEOTHERM:10068]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[TRADE_CAPACITY:1500]
[MUNDANE]

[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:aqua cross:aqua crosses:aqua cross]
[DESCRIPTION:aqua cross, male.]
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:aqua child:aqua childs]
[BODY:QUADRUPED_HOOF:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:55:58:60:62:65:70]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:50:55:58:60:62:65:70]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:50:55:58:60:62:65:70]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:AQUA:1]

[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[CASTE_NAME:aqua cross:aqua crosses:aqua cross]
[DESCRIPTION:aqua cross, female.]
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:aqua child:aqua childs]
[BODY:QUADRUPED_HOOF:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:55:58:60:62:65:70]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:50:55:58:60:62:65:70]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:50:55:58:60:62:65:70]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:AQUA:1]

[CASTE:MALE2]
[MALE]
[CASTE_NAME:amethyst cross:amethyst crosses:amethyst cross]
[DESCRIPTION:amethyst cross, male.]
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:amethyst child:amethsy childs]
[BODY:HUMANOID:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:105:108:110:112:115:120]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:100:105:108:110:112:115:120]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:100:105:108:110:112:115:120]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:AMETHYST:1]

[CASTE:FEMALE2]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[CASTE_NAME:amethyst cross:amethyst crosses:amethyst cross]
[DESCRIPTION:amethyst cross, female.]
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:amethyst child:amethsy childs]
[BODY:HUMANOID:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:GENERIC_TEETH:RIBCAGE]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:105:108:110:112:115:120]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:100:105:108:110:112:115:120]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:100:105:108:110:112:115:120]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:HAIR]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:AMETHYST:1]

[SELECT_CASTE:ALL]

[TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[Bohandas]

WIN
(and watching )
EDIT:
oh, nevermind. cool, but I thought it was real crossbreeding. apparently (looking at the code ) you just added caste, right?

WHAT CODE???

I mean tags. raws.
grrr. I'm programming right now.

I know what you meant. The issue in question is the fact that Azkanan didn't post the relevant raws until a full week AFTER we had this conversation.