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[Pandarsenic]

Wanting him dead and supporting his lynch are not the same thing. Wanting someone dead is mandatory for supporting someone being lynched, but the reverse is not true. His lynch was very clearly something I would not WANT but would ACCEPT if it was deemed necessary (until he requested a replacement at my goading).

And Native on many occasions seemed on the verge of dropping the hammer on supchar prematurely, before exhaustion of other options. Furthermore, in the end he just abruptly hammered someone that PRETTY MUCH NOBODY ELSE thought was scummy because he was pissed off at that person.

Re JanusSnail:
I hadn't JUST gathered the evidence, I had reached that conclusion pretty much as soon as Native turned on him. Also, Leafsnail and JanusTwoFace are sorta-similar in my mind. They're players of similar skill level who aren't too ancient or too new and never had any periods of long absence and who occasionally do IRC Mafia and whom I know pretty much nothing about personally.
<_<
>_>
Sorry Janus/Leafsnail. I feel bad now.

Rushing IS stupid. However, if everyone agrees that person is scummy, it's not rushing; that is, in fact, reaching consensus, which is entirely different.

[SaintDraze]

Welp, thats that then...
No reason not to lynch me...
everyone has posted, cept the ones that are dead...
I'd Say that I contributed to the scum team admirably...

If I had gotten king I would have made it appear that I was town for most of the day until I let the cat out of the bag...
And then I would have lynched charazad
>:3

No point prolonging this darvi... lynch me.
Unless if it actually turned out that you were my real scum partner and wasted everyones time at my behest :3

[Darvi]

Unless if it actually turned out that you were my real scum partner and wasted everyones time at my behest :3

You know that there is a scumchat right? If you didn't know if I were your scumpartner or not that would either mean that you didn't pay attention to Toaster's post or you simply aren't scum.

...wait, was that a confession?

[Darvi]

PM. Toaster's PM is what I meant.

And the possibility that scum didn't use scumchat pretty much makes all my deductions useless-_-

[Supercharazad]

Panda: You seem certain that scum will shoot me. What if they shoot you or Darvi? Then what happens? I'm not using random.org now, too dangerous for town.

[Jack A T]

...wait, was that a confession?

He seems to have a bit of a habit of doing that.  BYOR 6.3 Day 1, for example.

Re JanusSnail:
I hadn't JUST gathered the evidence, I had reached that conclusion pretty much as soon as Native turned on him. Also, Leafsnail and JanusTwoFace are sorta-similar in my mind. They're players of similar skill level who aren't too ancient or too new and never had any periods of long absence and who occasionally do IRC Mafia and whom I know pretty much nothing about personally.
<_<
>_>
Sorry Janus/Leafsnail. I feel bad now.

I feel a slight urge to have my username changed to Janussnail or something...nah.

I'm not using random.org now, too dangerous for town.

Ah, good.

[Darvi]

Fell fuck. And here I was assuming that he was town because of how badly he played. (Scum would've had a partner to tell them what to do, provided that their partner has at elast some experience. Considering that super is town, and that I was the only other newbie, I figured that he wouldn't have a newbie partner, thus meaning he would be particularly clueless town. But if he really didn't use scumchat...

[Darvi]

Panda: You seem certain that scum will shoot me. What if they shoot you or Darvi? Then what happens? I'm not using random.org now, too dangerous for town.

Don't worry, if they shoot either one of us (which is quite likely, confirmed town isn't something they like), then you'll have to choose the next king and hope that he'll be town.

Which means that I won't lynch Saint this day. Lynching somebody else instead might result in an immediate loss, but if I guess right then the kingmaker can choose whoever else survived and then that one can lynch Saint. Provided he really is scum and isn't talking crap (which I doubt, no town would want to do so unless they wanted to ruin the game on purpose or they were a jester).

So, it's just Pandar or Jack now...

[Supercharazad]

Whoever becomes kingmaker when and if I die should claim ASAP. If the claim is un-contested, then there are four possible outcomes:

Panda is Kingmaker, and kings darvi, darvi lynches Jack, town win.
Panda is kingmaker, and kings Jack, jack kills Darvi, town loss
Jack is kingmaker, and kings Darvi, darvi kills Panda, town win
Jack is kingmaker, and kings Panda, Panda kills darvi, town loss.


AKA, Darvi needs to be re-crowned for town win.

[Pandarsenic]

Panda: You seem certain that scum will shoot me. What if they shoot you or Darvi? Then what happens? I'm not using random.org now, too dangerous for town.

Almost impossible. They guarantee their loss if they shoot me, and if they shoot Darvi then... well, I hope you crown me if they do. But essentially, shooting you and hoping Darvi ends up KM and crowns Jack A T (or that he doesn't believe my claim when I king him if I become KM) is their best bet.

Which means that I won't lynch Saint this day. Lynching somebody else instead might result in an immediate loss, but if I guess right then the kingmaker can choose whoever else survived and then that one can lynch Saint. Provided he really is scum and isn't talking crap (which I doubt, no town would want to do so unless they wanted to ruin the game on purpose or they were a jester).

So, it's just Pandar or Jack now...

This isn't really much different from shooting SaintDraze and letting it go to night. Just lynch him, he claimed scum. -.-

Whoever becomes kingmaker when and if I die should claim ASAP. If the claim is un-contested, then there are four possible outcomes:

Panda is Kingmaker, and kings darvi, darvi lynches Jack, town win.
Panda is kingmaker, and kings Jack, jack kills Darvi, town loss
Jack is kingmaker, and kings Darvi, darvi kills Panda, town win
Jack is kingmaker, and kings Panda, Panda kills darvi, town loss.


AKA, Darvi needs to be re-crowned for town win.

The claim will be meaningless. Both the scum and the kingmaker will immediately claim KM on that day.

[Darvi]

So.
   
    Day1:

    Super is probably going to be one of the last ones alive isn't he?
   

Kid can see into the future.
   
    Anyways. Pandar keeps raging about the idiocy rampaging throughout the   game. Jack... is awfully quiet. Not necessarily because of the spamming   of crapposts, but he didn't do a lot until that post one day after THIS   IS STUPID. However, Pandar's posts reek of "I'm town and you should   fucking listen to me!" Not to mention that entire "lynch Super" thing.   After Native makes his vote, he instead goes against Native for not   voting Painiac. Though both sounded like a good choice that day, it   hardly seems consistent.
   
    Day 2: Jack is more active, and starts scumhunting from the get-go.   Pandar's first post after that is basically "Hey guys, I'm town and you   should lynch Painiac and Native. Bye." Then not a lot happens for a   while, and saint votes Native. And states the he doesn't want either Me   nor Pandar to be kinged. Pandar asks him what the hell makes him look scummy,   and says that I am the most likely scum (well too bad). Jack posts his   scumpicks. His top two picks, Me and Native, have been confirmed town.
   
    Today: Tons of swearing because of me being king (hurhurhur). Saint   states that Pandar is more scummy than Jack, for the "lynch Super"   thing, but that Jack has been passive. Jack says that Saint has to be   scum because he has been hasty with lynching, and due to his weak   justification for lynching Native. He doesn't really have anything   consistent against Pandar, though, apart from LS, confusing LS with Jim,   and overstating Joker's contributions. Pandar then claims that "nobody   has real reasons [he's] scum". He accuses Saint of lying, and that   Jack's post lacks commitment (without actually stating what was a lie,   or how... ok, Jack didn't really have any good arguments against him).   Then he goes "herp derp I'm Town" again. He then says "Saint must die",   and foretells what would happen if I would lynch somebody. Again   indirectly stating he's town. Jack then points out the weak spots in   Pandar's posts, but agrees that "Heck yeah Saint mus die!" Pandar then   says that he didn't really want to kill Super (then you shouldn't have   pressed Native so much!) and said that Jokerman did no real contribution   (contradicting his post in day 2). Jack then pretty much says what I   already have said here, so I wont repeat it anymore. Pandar then says   again that he didn't really want to kill Super, only he'd support it.   Yeeaaaaaaah...
 
  Then the day is practically over.
 
  tl;dr: Jack is passive, Pandar is pushy, and Saint... well you know.
 
  Now, just to confirm my scumpicks.
 
  SaintDraze: How serious were you   about admitting scum? Then why the fuck would you encourage bussing if I   were your scumpartner? How the hell could you even say something like   that if you know that I'm confirmed town, and why the heck did your   buddy not tell you what to do over scumchat? And why would you not   effing want me or Pandar to be King?

This isn't really much different from shooting SaintDraze and letting it go to night. Just lynch him, he claimed scum. -.-

No, it's very diferent. If I lynch him, either I or Super gets lynched, and the Kingmaker has to decide which survivor is town. But without the day phase to think with. If I lynch somebody else, the game's pretty much over as the kingmaker has only one person to consider.

The claim will be meaningless. Both the scum and the kingmaker will immediately claim KM on that day.

Pretty much.
   

[Pandarsenic]

My belief of Native's scumness hinged largely on that he went for Leafsnail INSTEAD OF Painiac (whom nearly everyone thought was scum). This indicated he was unwilling to bus his partner to me. That's why I was frustrated by the lynching of the less-scummy Native over the more-scummy Painiac.

In the end I was wrong about both though, herpadeeeerp.

I did in fact state how all of Jack's points are invalid. I'm not bothering to say "IF I WERE TOWN, THIS IS HOW I WOULD SEE THINGS" because that's implied. Of course I'm going to skip that part. It's a waste of everyone's time.

I didn't press Native to kill supercharazad. Ever.

Jokerman DIDN'T really contribute, but he did more than you did on Day 2 until I called you out.

Pandar is always pushy. Grawr. I will push if I have to.

And it ISN'T that different; no matter what you do, it comes down to "Can Darvi figure out which of Pandar and Jack A T is town and not screw the town one over. I don't see Supchar surviving this night.

[Darvi]

My belief of Native's scumness hinged largely on that he went for Leafsnail INSTEAD OF Painiac (whom nearly everyone thought was scum). This indicated he was unwilling to bus his partner to me. That's why I was frustrated by the lynching of the less-scummy Native over the more-scummy Painiac.

Yeah, I get that. Everybody thought like that on day 2.

In the end I was wrong about both though, herpadeeeerp.

/captainobvious

I didn't press Native to kill supercharazad. Ever.

Not directly, but you made your opinion on his death quite clear. But that doesn't matter right now.

Jokerman DIDN'T really contribute, but he did more than you did on Day 2 until I called you out.

Two. Posts. 'nuff said.

Pandar is always pushy. Grawr. I will push if I have to.

Ya, never said if it was scummy or not. I only said you were.

And it ISN'T that different; no matter what you do, it comes down to "Can Darvi figure out which of Pandar and Jack A T is town and not screw the town one over. I don't see Supchar surviving this night.

I don't really understand why it would have to be super. but whatever, the point is that this vote is the critical one.

Also, I am disappointed that nobody wanted my cookie

[Jack A T]

Also, I am disappointed that nobody wanted my cookie

Do I get a third of a cookie for getting part of your scumpicks right?  If so, I believe your top scumpick is SaintDraze.

[Darvi]

Actually, at the point I said that, no. I was pretty sure that the two of you were in cahoots. So no cookie for you sir.