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[Tyberix]

Just a notice : i decided to cut the quotes to minimum for the sake of readability,these quote pyramids are distracting.

You mean we should just get it over with? ScumCounter++

No i mean voting for someone who you're not sure about (or if you have 2 suspect and can't decide who is scummier) is very dangerous in this stage of the game.And "get over with it"  is rather on your side since you still limit yourself to  prod-voting and defense?

It's fairly hard to decide who to attack. I want more answers from multiple people.

Why you're not asking then ?

"I don't see anything interesting in terms of new posts. I've gotten stuff and haven't got more."

And that's the precise problem: if you don't have anything interesting,asking question is first thing that comes to mind ,but as scum why would you stir others when you can wait for them to attack themselves  ?

Maybe. However it seems that someone may have known he was innocent? ScumCounter++

I know now ,and i'm putting it to use,that's the why i point it out.That's the primary information from his death:who seemed to know it or used that information before it was public, everything else is probably WIFOM.

If a person I (unsuccessfully) try to lynch gets nightkilled, I'd be surprised.

Why? Are you 100% certain of all your picks ? Or maybe you KNOW who that gonna be ?

please explain this. I've reread it 5 times and still haven't got it. If he was "my scumpartner", why would I say the stuff in italics above to him?

OK,bad wording i agree. There's only 2 options why would you apologize for attacking :
a)You're scum and you know that he's town
b)You're scum and his your scumpartner so you want to not press too much and confirm his towniness in non-direct way

the bold: what the hell? where did you get any of those from? akhier hasn't posted anything I considered scummy As Of Your Post (I got ninja'd...) and so I have less reason to think he's scum. you are contradicting yourself, saying that I don't assault then saying I assault everyone? ScumCounter++
the italics: yes. this is because this game has me very confused and there's no complete bait. whoever is scum is doing it very well.

I fail to see where i say that you assault everyone ? The bandwagon part is not very important since bot D1 and D2 lynches were agreed upon nearly everybody,but anyway that's minor scumtell for me anyway.

[Argembarger]

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//  |   TolyK (2) - Zrk2, Tyberix
//  |   Akhier the Dragon hearted (1) - lordnincompoop
//  |   lordnincompoop (1) - Akhier the Dragon hearted
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//  |   Not voting (1) - TolyK
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//  |   Extend (0)
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//  |   Day 3 Ends: Thursday, February 17 @ 10:00 PM EST
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[TolyK]

*Voting*

Darn. I'm leaving for a while, so I need to extend.
Someone else please do it too.

[TolyK]

Just a notice : i decided to cut the quotes to minimum for the sake of readability,these quote pyramids are distracting.

That's fine.

You mean we should just get it over with? ScumCounter++

No i mean voting for someone who you're not sure about (or if you have 2 suspect and can't decide who is scummier) is very dangerous in this stage of the game.And "get over with it"  is rather on your side since you still limit yourself to  prod-voting and defense?

Nope. I have gotten enough info by doing just that and intend to show that in my next post.

It's fairly hard to decide who to attack. I want more answers from multiple people.

Why you're not asking then ?

Wait for it, it will be in my next post.

"I don't see anything interesting in terms of new posts. I've gotten stuff and haven't got more."

And that's the precise problem: if you don't have anything interesting,asking question is first thing that comes to mind ,but as scum why would you stir others when you can wait for them to attack themselves  ?

I'm a busy person. I actually have a real life (not that you don't either) and I don't have much time in it. Thus my "psuedo-activeness".

Maybe. However it seems that someone may have known he was innocent? ScumCounter++

I know now ,and i'm putting it to use,that's the why i point it out.That's the primary information from his death:who seemed to know it or used that information before it was public, everything else is probably WIFOM.

exactly.

If a person I (unsuccessfully) try to lynch gets nightkilled, I'd be surprised.

Why? Are you 100% certain of all your picks ? Or maybe you KNOW who that gonna be ?

Shit. I just realized the maffers are gonna pick my scumpick D:.
I haven't the slightest idea, but I  can guess: my target.

please explain this. I've reread it 5 times and still haven't got it. If he was "my scumpartner", why would I say the stuff in italics above to him?

OK,bad wording i agree. There's only 2 options why would you apologize for attacking :
a)You're scum and you know that he's town
b)You're scum and his your scumpartner so you want to not press too much and confirm his towniness in non-direct way

That makes sense now, thanks. also: why would I say he's town? Reasoning.Good=False.

the bold: what the hell? where did you get any of those from? akhier hasn't posted anything I considered scummy As Of Your Post (I got ninja'd...) and so I have less reason to think he's scum. you are contradicting yourself, saying that I don't assault then saying I assault everyone? ScumCounter++
the italics: yes. this is because this game has me very confused and there's no complete bait. whoever is scum is doing it very well.

I fail to see where i say that you assault everyone ? The bandwagon part is not very important since bot D1 and D2 lynches were agreed upon nearly everybody,but anyway that's minor scumtell for me anyway.

You basically said that I attack anyone who attacks me. This is not true. Am I attacking you and starting a firefight? Nope.
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Damn. Next post: reasons why I think that Nincompoop is scum.

[Argembarger]

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//  |   lordnincompoop (2) - Akhier the Dragon hearted, TolyK
//  |   TolyK (2) - Zrk2, Tyberix
//  |   Akhier the Dragon hearted (1) - lordnincompoop
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//  |   Not voting (0)
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//  |   Extend (1) - TolyK
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//  |   Day 3 Ends: Thursday, February 17 @ 10:00 PM EST
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[TolyK]

5.5 hours left, right? or 6.5?
hold on...

[Argembarger]

8 hours, actually.

[Zrk2]

Unvote, vote Ahkier, so much of what you have said makes no sense and is just chasing yourself around in circles, all while trying to appear active.

[TolyK]

damn votes are tied. that means someone has to vote or extend.
also: zrk2, agreed, I get that feeling too. Could you please point those out though?

[TolyK]

My explanation:

Akhier, tell me how you are not scum. You haven't had an active role in any major lynching debate so far, nor put any pressure or interrogated anyone in a serious manner. Most of the posts you do tend to be statements, detailing your suspicions or token contribution in a discussion you seem not to want to be a part of.

This is exceedingly suspicious to me, and rings of a scum harbouring conflicting desires to both be active and stay inconspicuous. Additionally, your activeness toward the end of the game has diminished, showing a scum that has relaxed his game knowing the win that is to come.

   There has been NO lynching debate so far. All that has
happened is that someone messes up badly and everyone
goes "well he's scum" and vote for them. I just tried
putting pressure on you and yet
YOU   DID   NOT   ANSWER   MY   QUESTION   LORDNINCOMPOOP!

Yes, there has been. It's all around you, and it's discussion. You should have taken a more active role in it.

What question is this that you are referring to? I see no such question.

It seems that you are the one who isn't taking much into the lynching discussion. It's more accusing people with little evidence.

You've made a number of slips through out the game. This post is very suspicious:

You openly admit to hunting good town ((TolyK note: WHAT?)), which goes directly against what this game is about. In pushing for good town lynches, you'd have a much easier time of winning the game as scum. It also shows very wishful thinking on your part, and is a rather blatant attempt to try to legitimise your actions and seem town-y by promising a resolution later.

   It went like this:

okay then I pick.... C.Darvi and his 'Stache Lordnincompoop and Tyberix...
both of you were scumhunting great...
Lordnincompoop&Tyberix:How many times have you questioned each other?

You're voting me because I'm good? What?

I'm pretty sure I questioned Tyberix quite a bit, just as much as the rest of you peeps. He's kinda invisible though, it's easy to forget.

   Then my quote you use. Do you know what I am
still waiting on? Your answer to his question of when
you question him seeing as you say you did it "quite a bit".

This is a non-answer and you know it. We're discussing your pushes for town lynches, not contexts for quotes or questions unanswered.

You mean you're purposefully ignoring questions? You are right about him constantly pushing for lunching town members for bad playing.

I'm sure you can give the thread another read-through for the posts. Additionally, in an attack the burden of proof is on you; it is your responsibility to find evidence and convict, not mine.

You mean he has to attack you with his quotes? Nevermind that, I just don't get what you mean here.

Here, you try to do two things: One, establish your position of authority amongst the us so that your chances of getting lynched will decrease. Two, you try to hurt the town by discouraging us from using potentially vital information from the previous days. Not subtle enough, Akhier.

   Yes it was a bad thing to post ((TolyK note: WHAT? you don't make yourself look weak in mafia. potential scumslip.)) and I appologized ((TolyK Note: This too)) for
it and explained my reasoning:

   I misspoke about what I meant. The real meaning for
my words is that I want us to not consider chewie and
super at all except in terms of when someone talked to
them. Anyway even if we did reset right now as I said
with 2 less people the odds are better of hitting scum.
   We where going in rapidly tightening circles around
the meaning of chewies death so I was just like "well
then lets just not consider it" and back to square one
was the way I thought it through and not how it should
be done in reality.

This to me does not adequately resolve the situation. It sounds like you've made a scumslip and hastily cobbled up an excuse to cover it up. ((This I agree with.)) What are you even trying to say? That we should ignore the impact that Super and Chewie have made? That we should ignore the questions and reactions that super and cheiwe posted and recieved? That we should simply ignore their deaths?

You're reiterating what you said earlier. And if it is the last, you're still left with an unclear, hasty correction and a null post. Why are you repeating something that was already established and implemented, then? It does no good, and you wasted precious time. ((he however meant, I think, that their deaths are only to confuse us. even the TownIC said that, where you were I don't know))

What the hell is this? Looks like scum trying to play the Jester card and relieve some of the pressure he's feeling.

   I actually trully really do say such things in real
life. I tend to repeat the words most of the time and
in general it will either be "monkey", "apples", "frog",
or "applesauce" so this is more of a leaking over. I
mostly did it because of what Darvi posted before that:

Tolyk: How old are you?

Yes, this is very relevant to the game, why do you ask?

   So I asked Darvi something very relevant in turn.

That still does not change it. Darvi's question was legitimate or at least coherent, whilst yours was not. Silly questions are useless as well, and if you find one you should point it out or admonish him, not make one of your own and clog up the thread.

Relax, they were just having fun. This is a "game" of mafia.

   I try not to double post even though it is allowed
in Mafia because of the no edit rule. In the begining
this was easy because it was very active but in the last
few days very few people have been posting, in fact it
has been so sparse the Mod asks if we where going to
play or if he should just rage-modkill everyone.

This is an awful excuse. Double posting should not stop you from participating in a thread. If in a period of inactivity, don't just wait for another post to appear; take the initiative and make another.

Double-posting can both help the thread and clutter it up. This argument is basically useless.

D2 was, in my opinion, plenty active. It's curious though how it just stopped.

Why not look through it and see?
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It seems that there was a lot of bandwagoning, joking, and partially-pointless attacking/flaming.
You however were semi-productive, though some posts looked a little cyclic.
***

8 hours, actually.

Cool. I'll still be asleep lol. We must x-tend.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   Extend, A tie is guaranteed loss for town so we need to
break it somehow.

[lordnincompoop]

Ah, finally. Hopefully I didn't break anything in the post this time. Also Extend, I think we'll need it. This is LYLO, after all.

Yes, there has been. It's all around you, and it's discussion. You should have taken a more active role in it.

What question is this that you are referring to? I see no such question.

It seems that you are the one who isn't taking much into the lynching discussion. It's more accusing people with little evidence.

Could you clarify this? I'm not really seeing what you're saying here.

This is a non-answer and you know it. We're discussing your pushes for town lynches, not contexts for quotes or questions unanswered.

You mean you're purposefully ignoring questions? You are right about him constantly pushing for lunching town members for bad playing.

No, I am not ignoring questions. That's just a result of bad wording.

I'm sure you can give the thread another read-through for the posts. Additionally, in an attack the burden of proof is on you; it is your responsibility to find evidence and convict, not mine.

You mean he has to attack you with his quotes? Nevermind that, I just don't get what you mean here.

When you attack someone, it's your job to find arguments for it. You don't ask the person to find arguments to convict himself with.

This to me does not adequately resolve the situation. It sounds like you've made a scumslip and hastily cobbled up an excuse to cover it up. ((This I agree with.)) What are you even trying to say? That we should ignore the impact that Super and Chewie have made? That we should ignore the questions and reactions that super and cheiwe posted and recieved? That we should simply ignore their deaths?

You're reiterating what you said earlier. And if it is the last, you're still left with an unclear, hasty correction and a null post. Why are you repeating something that was already established and implemented, then? It does no good, and you wasted precious time. ((he however meant, I think, that their deaths are only to confuse us. even the TownIC said that, where you were I don't know))

...

That still does not change it. Darvi's question was legitimate or at least coherent, whilst yours was not. Silly questions are useless as well, and if you find one you should point it out or admonish him, not make one of your own and clog up the thread.

Relax, they were just having fun. This is a "game" of mafia.

I maintain my point. Mafia is srs bsns m8

This is an awful excuse. Double posting should not stop you from participating in a thread. If in a period of inactivity, don't just wait for another post to appear; take the initiative and make another.

Double-posting can both help the thread and clutter it up. This argument is basically useless.

I'm discussing his unwillingness to post simply because "double posting is baaaaaaaad". Of course it can go either way, but if it's preventing you from playing I say it's time to break the rule.

((he however meant, I think, that their deaths are only to confuse us. even the TownIC said that, where you were I don't know))

Arrite, fair enough. Where I was at that point in time was trying to stop all the WIFOM.

[Argembarger]

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//  |   lordnincompoop (2) - Akhier the Dragon hearted, TolyK
//  |   TolyK (1) - Tyberix
//  |   Akhier the Dragon hearted (2) - lordnincompoop, Zrk2,
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//  |   Not voting (0)
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//  |   Extend (3) - TolyK, Akhier the Dragon hearted, Lordnincompoop
//  |   Day has been extended
//  |   2 players required to shorten
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//  |   Day 3 Ends: Friday, February 17 @ 10:00 PM EST
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//  |   There are no more extensions remaining
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[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   lordnincompoop, I did not vote for you first. You voted
for me. I had not even FoSed you. I asked you a question
and from that question I received a long post of quotes
that where explained already in the past before you even
bothered to answer my question. If you had not done
that I would not have even voted for you. I was trying
to illicit a reaction and boy did you ever react. Now here
is a question, If I was asked a question and the first thing
I did was post a great number of quotes by the other
person and accused them of being scum before I even
got around to answer the question what would that look
like? Yes a lot of what I have said to you recently has
been defensive but how could it not when the response
to anything I said was re-saying what I had said and
accusing me being scum for saying it.

   I believe you are scum because your response to
the questions we ask you has been derision of our
questions and accusations.

[Tyberix]

   lordnincompoop, I did not vote for you first. You voted
for me. I had not even FoSed you.

You suggest that every vote should be in response to another ?

please explain this. I've reread it 5 times and still haven't got it. If he was "my scumpartner", why would I say the stuff in italics above to him?

OK,bad wording i agree. There's only 2 options why would you apologize for attacking :
a)You're scum and you know that he's town
b)You're scum and his your scumpartner so you want to not press too much and confirm his towniness in non-direct way

That makes sense now, thanks. also: why would I say he's town? Reasoning.Good=False.

You telling me that scum wants their partner lynched ? Or that scum never want to help their partner ?

As for attacking everyone, it's just  my bad English taking revenge on me : i meant that you don't retaliate even when your questions are avoided or turned into attack onto you, instead you disperse your assault on few fronts and that's what i had in mind.