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[steve296]

Hi there,

I have a pair of lovers in my military, they are in the same squad, and the squad is set to train in every month, set to 10 squad members minimum. After seeing an unusual number of offsprings and married couples in a short timespan recently (it may only be "a lot" for me, there are a dozen children or so, not uncommon for a child to have a sibling), it occured to me that them lovebirds equipped with named iron spears didn't have any (announced) action recently, or ever, for that matter. I checked the relationships page, and they weren't married, still only lovers. And since they are both champions now, I can't (won't) disband them, and cancelling the training order just makes them train individually.

Query: Is it possible for them to spend time with each other (besides training together), without having them disbanded?

In the meantime, I have checked an engraving, and... my fort is only 3 years old??? I though more time has elapsed since its founding. Maybe the mediocre fps has something to do with it...

[Girlinhat]

Military time does put your dwarves in the same barracks/danger room a lot, so it can happen, that's why many prefer all male military, because they don't go gay (that's prolly in the next version though) and they can't have miscarriage, which can happen while training or fighting, or not eating which happens on patrol duty.

In general, most people ignore relationships.  If they happen to chat and get good moods, awesome.  If not, meh, it's not worth altering your fort design to let them chitchat.  If you give them free time, though, then they'll have time to talk, and if they don't, then they won't, and there's nothing you can do about that.

[Funtimes]

and they can't have miscarriage, which can happen while training or fighting

Yes they can, there's a lovely negative thought just for it. Very rare, though.

[Dwarfotaur]

and they can't have miscarriage, which can happen while training or fighting

Yes they can, there's a lovely negative thought just for it. Very rare, though.

I've never seen a miscarriage even when using the danger room, however I have seen babies born and instantly impaled in the danger room. Dwarves can have some crazy rituals.

[Funtimes]

The blood makes them train harder.

[Girlinhat]

The blood makes them train harder.

I'm pretty sure that when you go to hell (let's be fair, you know you are) that you're going one more level down due to this comment.

[steve296]

Military time does put your dwarves in the same barracks/danger room a lot, so it can happen, that's why many prefer all male military, because they don't go gay (that's prolly in the next version though) and they can't have miscarriage, which can happen while training or fighting, or not eating which happens on patrol duty.

In general, most people ignore relationships.  If they happen to chat and get good moods, awesome.  If not, meh, it's not worth altering your fort design to let them chitchat.  If you give them free time, though, then they'll have time to talk, and if they don't, then they won't, and there's nothing you can do about that.

Right, it's just that I suffer from "benevolent dictator" syndrome. And I like the thought of having a dwarven spearmaster family in my fortress. Shoulda gave them more time at embark before recruiting them. Oh well. Thanks for answering.

The blood makes them train harder.

I'm pretty sure that when you go to hell (let's be fair, you know you are) that you're going one more level down due to this comment.

Name a dwaft after him and send him to circus
Btw, does it happen to any of you that you read "Toady" instead of "Today", when looking at the date of a post?

[Girlinhat]

Every single time!  I look and I'm like "Toady responded to us common mortals?!" then I'm like "aw..." then five minutes later I'm like "Toady responded to EVERY thread?!"

[Funburns]

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the squad is set to train in every month, set to 10 squad members minimum. [...] cancelling the training order just makes them train individually.

Query: Is it possible for them to spend time with each other (besides training together), without having them disbanded?

If you reduce the squad member minimum on every month, dwarves will trade in and out of the squad to do other things -- including idling in leisure zones, and thus talking to other dwarves and improving relationships with them if they have nothing else to do. You don't get to control who is not actively training at any given time, though, and the likelihood of both lovers being off-duty isn't very high unless you make the squad member minimum very low. In case you were worried, actually activating a squad will cause every member to respond, not just the minimum amount (that only applies to non-ordered squad activities, like training).

Dwarves do end up having many, many children if you let them. Dwarven mothers' indefatigable babycannons will cover your fortress in a withering hail of little tumors with legs danger room painters bundles of joy, and there's nothing you can do about it once it starts. I suggest daycare facilities and (continual) maternity leave, but if you like that special shade of crimson in your Armok temple, there's nothing I can do to stop you.

[Jake]

Eventually you'll get alerted when a dwarf is expecting a child, making it possible to take the mother off the squad for a while.

And this can have an extremely satisfying upside. Back in 40d, I'd formed a small fortress guard but hadn't finished equipping them yet, and one of its newer recruits was a young mother. I can only assume that from the angle he approached from, the goblin babysnatcher who attempted to make off with her two week-old baby was unable to see that she was wearing a shortsword. His expression was apparently so entertaining that the dwarves left his head in the nearby tree it landed in.

[Girlinhat]

Wait, you get alerts for that?  I just see "Urist McNewMother has given birth to a son!" with no announcement before that.  Perhaps I need to alter my announcement settings...

[TheyTarget]

and they can't have miscarriage, which can happen while training or fighting

Yes they can, there's a lovely negative thought just for it. Very rare, though.

I've never seen a miscarriage even when using the danger room, however I have seen babies born and instantly impaled in the danger room. Dwarves can have some crazy rituals.

They don't tell you when they have miscarriages. Though you can see it in their thoughts.

If you want to make them marry, and not disband the squad, I would go with removing their barracks and putting them inactive. they wont train cause they have no place to train. This is just what I hear but if you do this in spring, and they throw a party in the meeting hall, apparently it's a wedding.

[steve296]

[...] removing their barracks [...]

Of course! Next time when I want to UNDO something, I just look for a "why won't x work" thread and replicate the mistakes...

If you reduce the squad member minimum on every month, dwarves will trade in and out of the squad to do other things -- including idling in leisure zones, and thus talking to other dwarves and improving relationships with them if they have nothing else to do. You don't get to control who is not actively training at any given time, though, and the likelihood of both lovers being off-duty isn't very high unless you make the squad member minimum very low. In case you were worried, actually activating a squad will cause every member to respond, not just the minimum amount (that only applies to non-ordered squad activities, like training).

Dwarves do end up having many, many children if you let them. Dwarven mothers' indefatigable babycannons will cover your fortress in a withering hail of little tumors with legs danger room painters bundles of joy, and there's nothing you can do about it once it starts. I suggest daycare facilities and (continual) maternity leave, but if you like that special shade of crimson in your Armok temple, there's nothing I can do to stop you.

That's a good idea too, I just hope they won't fall back to individual combat drill, being the eager-beavers they are. And considering the lack of a danger room and the otherwise low popcap I've set (60 counts as pretty low to me), I think I'll be able to tolerate fresh blood every once in a while quite well. Wait, that doesn't sound right...

Thanks guys, maybe I'll report when something funny happens...

[EBannion]

I remember reading somewhere that due to a fluke in programming, dwarves will not get married while in the military - ones who are already married continue having children.

So if you want your soldiers to have kids, make sure they're married before drafting them. If you don't want them to reproduce, make sure they AREN'T married

Also, physical contact is not necessary for children but marriage IS.

[Fayceless]

and they can't have miscarriage, which can happen while training or fighting

Yes they can, there's a lovely negative thought just for it. Very rare, though.

Male dwarves cannot have a miscarriage.  This fact really shouldn't be disputed.