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[Facekillz058]

So i've been playing a bit this morning and have some updates on a new character im trying.

I decided to try a "No shield, crush with Zweihander" type character, I didn't die until the second floor of the church in the Undead Parish. I didn't kill Solaire this time, and me and him just totally owned the Bell Gargoyles. At this point, I want to get my Zweihander past +5 so i'm trying to kill the Moonlight Butterfly. I'm out of humanity at this point so I can't revive or kindle, so I decide to head into the Darkroot Basin to look for some phat lewts. I kill something that dropped 2 twinkling titanite and two titanite chunks, good for me. I find a longbow, and i'm all thinking that this will be the weapon that kills that stupid insect. I walk into the boss fight all ready to perpetrate some ownage. 24 bloody damage. Thats what the bow did. At this point i'm quite sad, as I attempted to kill it again, this time with fire bombs. That actually worked, until it launched sparkles at me, resulting an insta-death. At this point, I lack the happiness to go back to Murphy, as I like to call the merchant in Undead Burg, and get more bombs. And i'm humanity starved, and I really don't want to kill any NPCs this time around.

Oh yeah, does two-handing things cut the strength requirement in half, or does it make it 2/3?

[Rez]

Darkroot Basin is something like sl 30 or 40.

You can probably still do the moonlight butterfly if you

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summon beatrice at the bottom of the stairs and dodge well.

[Jelle]

Oh if you're looking for a sweet heavy two handed sword until you upgrade the basic zweihander to decent levels you should kill the stone guardians. That stone guardian greatsword is pretty awesome early on if a tad heavy.

afaik two handing multiplies your strength stat by 1.5, allowing you to wield weapons you may not be able to single handed as well as having it scale higher if it has strength scaling.


Been trying some stuff out with strength scaling myself after taking a bit of a break.
I was wielding a +5 black knight greatsword but decided it would be nice to try upgrading my demon great axe to +15 to see what happens. The strength scaling went up to an amazing S.
When I'm using power within pyromancy and the dragon stone torso my normal attacks deal up to 1200 damage, and will probably continue to scale into epic levels. 

[Facekillz058]

You can probably still do the moonlight butterfly if you

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summon beatrice at the bottom of the stairs and dodge well.

I did that on my other character, and I would on this one, if I had any humanity to revive with.

[Facekillz058]

Oh if you're looking for a sweet heavy two handed sword until you upgrade the basic zweihander to decent levels you should kill the stone guardians. That stone guardian greatsword is pretty awesome early on if a tad heavy.

afaik two handing multiplies your strength stat by 1.5, allowing you to wield weapons you may not be able to single handed as well as having it scale higher if it has strength scaling.

nice to know, thanks.

Epic double post.

[Jelle]

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Alright, now trying to beat Gwyn, Lord of Cinders.
Jeez this guy attacks relentlessly. 5 seconds after entering the room and I'm toast.
Any tips? I'm looking for a small window of oppertunity when he's not attacking so I can actually get a blow in.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

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Alright, now trying to beat Gwyn, Lord of Cinders.
Jeez this guy attacks relentlessly. 5 seconds after entering the room and I'm toast.
Any tips? I'm looking for a small window of oppertunity when he's not attacking so I can actually get a blow in.

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Whatever you do, don't parry.

The best way to go about it is dealing enough damage to stagger him, but failing that casting iron flesh and poking him to death is an option if you have good stamina.

[Lectorog]

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Alright, now trying to beat Gwyn, Lord of Cinders.
Jeez this guy attacks relentlessly. 5 seconds after entering the room and I'm toast.
Any tips? I'm looking for a small window of oppertunity when he's not attacking so I can actually get a blow in.

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Whatever you do, don't parry.

The best way to go about it is dealing enough damage to stagger him, but failing that casting iron flesh and poking him to death is an option if you have good stamina.

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What? Parrying is the best way to beat him. It makes the fight a bit easy, but it's not as cheap as iron flesh.

If you're not parrying, the best time to attack is after he tries to grab you. Roll to the side to dodge that and you'll have time for 1-2 hits.

[Facekillz058]

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Alright, now trying to beat Gwyn, Lord of Cinders.
Jeez this guy attacks relentlessly. 5 seconds after entering the room and I'm toast.
Any tips? I'm looking for a small window of oppertunity when he's not attacking so I can actually get a blow in.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Whatever you do, don't parry.

The best way to go about it is dealing enough damage to stagger him, but failing that casting iron flesh and poking him to death is an option if you have good stamina.

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What? Parrying is the best way to beat him. It makes the fight a bit easy, but it's not as cheap as iron flesh.

If you're not parrying, the best time to attack is after he tries to grab you. Roll to the side to dodge that and you'll have time for 1-2 hits.

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Crush him with a Zweihander! 

[MetalSlimeHunt]

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What? Parrying is the best way to beat him. It makes the fight a bit easy, but it's not as cheap as iron flesh.

If you're not parrying, the best time to attack is after he tries to grab you. Roll to the side to dodge that and you'll have time for 1-2 hits.

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Parrying completely ruins the fight. It turns the final boss of Dark Souls into a triviality and is not in the spirit of the game.

[Jelle]

Woot I beat him.
It was the ultimate sudden death fight. Both of us were capable of destroying one another in mere seconds.

I powered up with inner power, dodged his leap and went for a counter, dodged his grab and another counter wich staggered him and gave it a power attack, altogether removing 2/3 of his life in 4 seconds. Finished him off with a leap power attack. 

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I picked the dark ending. I've no interest in becoming a glorified fire keeper!

On another note, I 2 shot the asylum demon and the new playthrough. 

[Lectorog]

Double post. My first. Damned 504s.

[Lectorog]

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What? Parrying is the best way to beat him. It makes the fight a bit easy, but it's not as cheap as iron flesh.

If you're not parrying, the best time to attack is after he tries to grab you. Roll to the side to dodge that and you'll have time for 1-2 hits.

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Parrying completely ruins the fight. It turns the final boss of Dark Souls into a triviality and is not in the spirit of the game.

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I'd say tanking him with Iron Flesh is worse.

The final boss isn't very well-designed. There are only a few ways to beat him, and none of them are dependent on skill.
1) Tank. Requires much armor, poise, and Estus flasks. Two-handed weapon recommended.
2) Shield. Block all attacks until he performs his one attack which provides a gap and take a slash or two. Repeat for many minutes. Mistakes require sacrificing attack time to heal.
3) Parry. Learn the rhythm of the attacks and the best time to parry. Can heal from mistakes while he is recovering. Best used with frequent shielding.
4) Ranged. Have fun running.

There is no honorable way to fight Lord Gwyn. This indicates the same. If you know of one, I'd love to learn it. I didn't enjoy that last fight.

Parries didn't entirely ruin it for me. I was terrible at parrying and was using a Lightning Zweihander. Took me about 15 tries.

I suppose you could say Jelle's approach is the best. Still not exactly an "honorable duel".

In other news, my strength-only run is predictable difficult. Started as deprived. Capra demon was a serious pain. Wearing some sort of leather armor. Working my way through the depths. I might just skip it, using the Master Key to head to the end of Blighttown. It's a pain; I just got cursed. Punching and clubbing things is fun, but tedious - it takes a lot of hits.

[Cthulhu]

I thought using every bullshit trick available to even the odds was in the spirit of the game?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It usually is, but that fight is designed badly. With most of the others you are massively outclassed, that one is just kind of cheap.