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Starting a business. Questions on operations and marketing.
« on: February 03, 2011, 02:41:08 pm »

Scared of not finding a job after school, thought about starting a business. Unsure. Thoughts?
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Re: Starting a business. Questions on operations and marketing.
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 02:49:28 pm »

I have a laptop and a desktop (new as of Dec 2011).
You mean 2010, right? Other than that, nothing to say  :-\
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 03:04:38 pm »

I don't know, but sometimes people get the years on things mixed up around January because they're used to using the old year.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 04:41:55 pm »

You need some business classes and probably some startup-company resources.

I'm pressed for time at the moment, but I'll go through your list over the weekend.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 05:48:19 pm »

Not sure I get your meaning.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 09:14:22 pm »

No offense intended, but if you'd taken business classes, and not classes purporting to be business-related, you wouldn't be asking the questions you've asked (and you would have the resources to not ask them on a forum about a video game, because you would have put together the contacts and the resources that would obviate the need for a desperate shot in the dark). That said, you're not entirely on the wrong track, though you (and most of your profession) are stuck thirty years ago.

If you're smart, you will remember that law, at the end of the day, is a simple service. You are a service provider that has some special qualities and issues (restrictive professional ethics, debt burden, etc.), but at the end of the day you do the same thing that a barber does--people are willing to pay more for it, but you compete with other lawyers in the exact same way as a barber competes with the one across the street. If you understand that, and you treat your customers accordingly, you'll do alright.



(Nothing I say below is esoteric. Anything that's not immediately apparent can probably be found in a Google search.)



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Websites:
This is the most important tool you have. I assume you'll write the copy yourself, which is fine. Get someone to build you a solid, CMS-backed site on a virtual private server (VPS). Shared solutions like Dreamhost seem nice, until you realize the same webserver that's serving your content is serving another 400 websites at minimum and they don't exactly offer uptime guarantees. A VPS generally has few uptime guarantees as well, but the machine it's running on isn't getting pummeled by all those sites.

Keep in mind that for most solutions you will end up contracting a designer, who provides an HTML/CSS or Photoshop template, and an implementor, who takes the designer's deliverables and integrates them with the content management system. Most designers can recommend implementors, and vice versa. Finding a decent one generally isn't hard; always ask for bona fides long before you sign anything and look at their portfolio carefully.

You will need to find a sysadmin or a company you can contract out to. Every area has them. Make some contacts and ask around. Most are a flat per-month fee--for what you need it shouldn't exceed maybe $500/month, adjusted for location.

By the way, rule #1 of technology: Don't hire friends. Even if they're working in the industry. You might be the one in a thousand who hires a friend and doesn't end up chasing them around for deliverables or putting up with half-assed crap because "eh, he's a friend, he'll understand," but it's more likely you're one of the nine hundred and ninety-nine. Paying the money reduces this risk, and small businesses are all about risk management.


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Technology:
How can you be below the age of 30 and not know what a smartphone is or why it's useful? I mean, no offense, but are you living in a cave in Afghanistan? (I say a cave, because you can buy iPhones on the streets of Kabul.) Get into an AT&T or a Verizon store or whatever and play with what they've got, and the value of a decent smartphone in terms of email, calendaring, etc. will become immediately apparent. Your competitors all use them, and for a reason. (I would avoid BlackBerry mostly due to the hassle of administration, especially as you're not going to be running a large-scale shop. iPhones are good. Windows Phone 7 is good. Android is acceptable. Find what's reasonably priced and what works for you.)

Infrastructure is also a concern. The 1980's called and they want the standard methods of legal filing to come back, they're sorely missed. Here in 2011, however, you're going to want to invest in a real, legacy-free information system. Just one example, off the top of my head: you don't need reams of paper documents in the overwhelming majority of cases, and investing in a decent scanner (this means "not one bolted onto an inkjet printer") and OCR software will save you a lot of time when you need to find something. There's lots of stuff like this that can be done to improve your own workflow and, by extension, reduce the need for other staff. You aren't going to want to expand until your revenue is at least approaching 2x-2.2x your minimum acceptable take-home salary, and that's probably a long way off, so do as much as you can to maximize what you can do.


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Office Space:
Good office space in a reasonably upscale building--possibly important, given the expectations of people in your industry--is never cheap, because those buildings are rarely lacking for tenants. If you primarily work for clients that may not be able to afford standard law pricing (as it sounds like you are), you might be able to get away without much in this area for a while. Most urban areas have startup incubators where you can rent offices on a weekly basis for very reasonable rates, which may be a viable alternative in those cases. If you attempt to move more upscale, you're going to be biting the bullet and paying the money.


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Furnishings:
Important, but not important enough to wank over. Especially, as noted above, if your clientele isn't expecting the Ritz. The time you spend thinking about this is time you could be spending on other stuff.


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Advertising:
Newspaper ads, locally-targeted Google ads, etc. are worth a look, but most services generate business from word of mouth and referrals, as you note later.


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Suppliers/Vendors:
Important, and it's good that you've thought of this. LexisNexis is a big one. Some of the other legal networks are worth it took. Basic supplies, however, may be avoidable depending on the office situation, as mentioned above.


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Customer Service/Relations Tracking:
Operations Tracking:
These are essentially the same thing, and the conventional answer is Salesforce. They're $25/user/month for their Group Edition, which doesn't have all the bells and whistles but has essentially everything you'll want.


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Taxes:
You can't run QuickBooks? I billed at $125-$175/hr. when I was running my own consultancy, which isn't quite legal rates but is not insubstantial, and I handled my own business through QuickBooks--took me maybe an hour a month, and an accountant wanted to soak me $400/month for the same thing. This is the future--you can automate this shit.


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Payroll:
Also automatable. Intuit Payroll is a solid product that doesn't require too much attention on its own. Like I said, you're stuck in the 1980's. Most of the basic business ops tasks you're thinking of are solved problems. You just need to babysit a computer process here or there.
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Re: Starting a business. Questions on operations and marketing.
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2011, 11:15:34 pm »

No idea what you're talking about.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 11:51:44 pm »

Well i have a small IT-consultant/admin business but dont think that really helps you. I work mostly from home with ocasional visits to clients,I have 1-2 regluar clients and a couple inregular oddjobs. More like a mini business :(. School eats most of the time so cant really say that i would be an active entrepreneur with good advice.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2011, 12:07:03 am »

Well i have a small IT-consultant/admin business but dont think that really helps you. I work mostly from home with ocasional visits to clients,I have 1-2 regluar clients and a couple inregular oddjobs. More like a mini business :(. School eats most of the time so cant really say that i would be an active entrepreneur with good advice.

No worries. Its always good to ask people who have struck out on their own in any capacity. Further, there's always something to learn.

Also, hey, don't forget. A "mini business" is more than most people have. Good job.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2011, 12:47:56 am »

Conclusion:

You managed to turn a simple request into an insult. Good job. I just kinda shrugged it off. Do you expect people to take you seriously when you act like that?
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I've worked for lawyers. I've contracted to and consulted for lawyers. I have given you straightforward answers as I know them, and while I am not a lawyer it might behoove you to remember that some of us have done a bit of actual work in the real world. If you want to put on airs about your profession, that's your business, but nobody else accepts 'em about law or anything else and the overwhelming glut of lawyers hocking their services in the market is going to be a rude awakening for your prospects unless you are staggeringly top-of-the-top. If you want more specific recommendations about things you went out of your way not to specify in your questions, go ask a lawyer who's in the business.

And it's pretty clear you didn't even bother to sit back and think about what I said before posting. Nobody said "paperless office." You can reduce storage quite a lot, but I know quite fucking well the retention policies necessary, thank you. I've built the kind of custom information storage system I'm talking about, after all. The point is not to eliminate paper, it is to improve your ability to access what you need, when you need it, as fast as is technologically possible. The point is to make you faster, not to eliminate paper. Which is why that, yes, you and most of your cohorts are stuck in the past--"good enough" yesterday is assumed, as a whole, to be good enough today. And that's not entirely surprising. You aren't information specialists. You're not expected to be. That's not your job. But if you're smart, you hire people who are exactly that to enable you to do more work, better. It's not even that expensive, which is why it can be a valuable resource when starting a small-scale operation where your time is much, much more precious than you even think right now.


(Psst: you know that almost everything you said that makes law "special," like your "referrals are everything," can be said about any service endeavor, from bizdev consulting to web contracting to cutting people's hair? Aside from marginal areas such as taxes--and the independently practicing lawyer I worked for seems to have a fantastic system going solely with Intuit software, so I know it's quite doable there anyway--you're just another service provider. That your service is required in a limited and fairly unique set of circumstances does not change that the fundamental service aspect of the business is just not that different, even despite that nice degree on your wall. Sorry, but it's true, and you're trying, surely in a well-meaning way, to push the biggest myth of the legal profession.)
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2011, 12:58:48 am »

Well i have a small IT-consultant/admin business but dont think that really helps you. I work mostly from home with ocasional visits to clients,I have 1-2 regluar clients and a couple inregular oddjobs. More like a mini business :(. School eats most of the time so cant really say that i would be an active entrepreneur with good advice.

No worries. Its always good to ask people who have struck out on their own in any capacity. Further, there's always something to learn. Speaking of which, if you'd be so kind:

You said you have 1-2 Regular clients and a couple irregular oddjobs. How did you get and keep the regular ones? How about the odd jobs? How did they hear of you? Did they say why they chose you over your competition? Despite being small, do you advertise/have a website? What would you say has been the most effective thing you've done as a business plan?

I completely understand if you don't have or prefer not to give an answer.

Also, hey, don't forget. A "mini business" is more than most people have. Good job.
Well 1 of the regulars is the family business which does some consulting for the goverment and the other is just a dude who needs regular tech support. I was the regular tech guy before i had a business and the kinda flowd together, i do mostly linux support so not too much competition for the clients. Being the regular tech guy means everyone knows i can fix stuff but unlike before i charge for it now  :P.

 I should had made a website ages ago even if they are crappy and even have a server set up to host but been a bit lazy <.<. I have thought about advertising to the local business in a business magazine but im not sure if i could take many more clients then i have now. Dont really have a business plan at the moment but if school craps out i could take 4-5 local clients to atleast survive.

Started at age 16 with this and it seems to work out somewhat
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2011, 03:38:11 am »

Not sure I get your meaning.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 03:56:29 am »

Truean if your unable to read what Blank Expressions and apply it to your situation, you should not consider running your own business. He gave pretty sound and straight forward advice, basic, but straight forward. Not every advice given is going to be amazing, but you have to be able to sift through the bull crap and be able to find the diamonds if you want to make it in the real world. Not every advice given is going to be with rainbows and butterfly's. Im surprised for the line of work your going into you are so butt hurt from what has been said. When someone says their backround to you, they are merely attempting to inform you of their experiences and why you should listen to them.


You are acting very childish for someone seeking advice. Grow up a little, and suck it up. Learn to correctly apply situations to your own, other wise dont even consider going into law school. You will NOT make it.




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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 04:23:36 am »

Not sure what you're talking about.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 04:48:18 am »

Trolls be trolling...
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